
The Political Debate Over Section 230, With Klon Kitchen
03/03/21 • 24 min
Klon Kitchen, a tech policy expert at the American Enterprise Institute who authored the Heritage Foundation’s Section 230 reform proposal, joins Ellysse and Ashley to unpack the political debate surrounding Section 230 and the treatment of political speech online.
Mentioned
- Klon Kitchen, “Section 230—Mend It, Don’t End It” (Heritage Foundation, October 2020).
Related
- Ashley Johnson and Daniel Castro, “Proposals to Reform Section 230” (ITIF, February 2021).
Klon Kitchen, a tech policy expert at the American Enterprise Institute who authored the Heritage Foundation’s Section 230 reform proposal, joins Ellysse and Ashley to unpack the political debate surrounding Section 230 and the treatment of political speech online.
Mentioned
- Klon Kitchen, “Section 230—Mend It, Don’t End It” (Heritage Foundation, October 2020).
Related
- Ashley Johnson and Daniel Castro, “Proposals to Reform Section 230” (ITIF, February 2021).
Previous Episode

A Brief History of Section 230, With Patrick Carome
Patrick Carome, one of the leading advocates in Section 230 litigation famous for representing AOL in the landmark Section 230 case, Zeran v. AOL, joins Ellysse and Ashley to explore the history behind Section 230, Congress' intentions in passing it, and the foundational case that set the precedent for how courts interpret it.
Mentioned:
- Zeran v. Am. Online, Inc., 129 F.3d 327 (4th Cir. 1997).
- Stratton Oakmont, Inc. v. Prodigy Servs. Co., No. 31063/94, 1995 N.Y. Misc. LEXIS 229 (N.Y. Sup. Ct. May 24, 1995).
- Cubby, Inc. v. CompuServe, Inc., 776 F. Supp. 135 (S.D.N.Y. 1991).
Related:
- Ashley Johnson and Daniel Castro, “The Exceptions to Section 230: How Have Courts Interpreted Section 230?” (ITIF, February 2021).
Next Episode

Evaluating Proposals to Amend Section 230, With Aaron Mackey
Aaron Mackey, staff attorney and free speech expert at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, joins Ellysse and Ashley to evaluate recent proposals to amend or repeal Section 230 based on their potential impact and effectiveness.
Mentioned
- “S.3398 - EARN IT Act of 2020,” Congress.gov.
- “S.4534 - Online Freedom and Viewpoint Diversity Act,” Congress.gov.
- “S.4632 - Online Content Policy Modernization Act,” Congress.gov.
- “S.4066 - PACT Act,” Congress.gov.
Related
- Ashley Johnson and Daniel Castro, “Proposals to Reform Section 230” (ITIF, February 2021).
- Sophia Cope, Aaron Mackey, and Andrew Crocker, “The EARN IT Act Violates the Constitution,” EFF, March 31, 2020.
- Aaron Mackey, “The PACT Act’s Attempt to Help Internet Users Hold Platforms Accountable Will End Up Hurting Online Speakers,” EFF, July 21, 2020.
- Sophia Cope and Aaron Mackey, “The PACT Act Is Not The Solution To The Problem Of Harmful Online Content,” EFF, July 30, 2020.
Ellysse and Ashley Break the Internet - The Political Debate Over Section 230, With Klon Kitchen
Transcript
Klon Kitchen: Oftentimes people will be frustrated with a content moderation decision that is actually quite consistent with the rules that have been set. They just don’t like the rules.
Ellysse Dick: Welcome to Ellysse and Ashley Break the Internet, a series where we are exploring the ins and outs of Section 230, a law that has raised important questions about the nature of civic discourse and online speech. I’m Ellysse Dick, Research Fellow at the
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