
Embodied Leadership with Donnie Maclurcan
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04/19/23 • 46 min
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Donnie Maclurcan returns in this episode to discuss the radical, embodied practices he employs as Executive Director of the Post Growth Institute. Learn how PGI uses an asset-based approach, sociocratic governance, and lean processes to create trust, safety, and virtuous cycles. Recorded live in San Francisco, Donnie and Jenny discuss PGI's cutting edge practices such as silent meetings, a long hiring process, a policy of "no shit work", rest week, defining ones own pay rates, and much more. It's a provocative, eye opening conversation that should not be missed.
Covered in this episode:
- Origin story of the Post Growth Institute [2:28]
- PGI's asset based approach [5:37]
- How PGI employs being over doing [11:53]
- Silent meetings [16:02]
- No shit work [19:33]
- Starting meetings [23:39]
- Embodied response [27:19]
- Defining one's own pay rates [30:35]
- Harmony restoration [34:44]
- Rest week [38:44]
- Sociocracy and decision making at PGI [30:05]
Resources:
- Appreciative Inquiry
- The More Beautiful World Our Hearts Know is Possible, Charles Eisenstein
- Sociocracy for All
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Donnie Maclurcan returns in this episode to discuss the radical, embodied practices he employs as Executive Director of the Post Growth Institute. Learn how PGI uses an asset-based approach, sociocratic governance, and lean processes to create trust, safety, and virtuous cycles. Recorded live in San Francisco, Donnie and Jenny discuss PGI's cutting edge practices such as silent meetings, a long hiring process, a policy of "no shit work", rest week, defining ones own pay rates, and much more. It's a provocative, eye opening conversation that should not be missed.
Covered in this episode:
- Origin story of the Post Growth Institute [2:28]
- PGI's asset based approach [5:37]
- How PGI employs being over doing [11:53]
- Silent meetings [16:02]
- No shit work [19:33]
- Starting meetings [23:39]
- Embodied response [27:19]
- Defining one's own pay rates [30:35]
- Harmony restoration [34:44]
- Rest week [38:44]
- Sociocracy and decision making at PGI [30:05]
Resources:
- Appreciative Inquiry
- The More Beautiful World Our Hearts Know is Possible, Charles Eisenstein
- Sociocracy for All
To stay connected to all things Denizen, you can sign up for our newsletter at www.becomingdenizen.com. There we share our latest content alongside community events, educational opportunities, and announcements from our many partner organizations.
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Resources:
- Elena's website: https://elenabrower.com/
- Softening Time, Elena's substack
- The Kind Teacher, the company offering the micro dosing protocol Elena recently did
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New Narratives with John Fullerton, Hunter Lovins, and Joon Yun
In this episode Jenny sits down with three leaders in the regenerative movement: John Fullerton, Founder of the Capital Institute and champion of Regenerative Capitalism; Hunter Lovins, pioneer in the sustainability movement and author of Natural Capitalism; and Joon Yun, philanthropist and advocate of inclusive stakeholding. Each have been guests on various topics within the Denizen inquiry: Regenerative Capitalism, Natural Capitalism, and Inclusive Stakeholding. Each of them mentioned the importance of narratives shifts in their individual discussions, so this conversation brings them together to explore the new narratives that are needed for systems change.
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In this conversation Jenny, John, Hunter, Joon, Alex, Ben, Ryan and James discuss:
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- John's reflections on regenerative captialism's role in crafting new narratives [4:36]
- Hunter's reflections [11:00]
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- Thoughts from Alex Ebert of Edward Sharpe and the Magnetic Zeros [35:43]
- Thoughts from visual artist Ben Von Wong [37:30]
- Reflections from Ryan Caldwell, actor; the importance of story [40:17]
- The necessity of vision [43:26]
- Reflections from James Krisel, filmmaker [46:14]
- Analogies with human aging [48:11]
- Overcoming tribalism [52:38]
Resources:
- "Regenerative Capitalism: How Universal Principles and Patterns Will Shape Our New Economy", John Fullerton
- Natural Capitalism: Creating the Next Industrial Revolution, Paul Hawken, Hunter Lovins, and Amory Lovins
- A Finer Future: Creating an Economy in Service to Life, Hunter Lovins, Anders Wijkman, Stewart Wallis, and John Fullerton
- Interdependent Capitalism: Redesigning the Social Contract through Inclusive Stakeholding, Joon Yun, Jeremy Yun, Conrad Yun
- Essays on Inclusive Stakeholding Joon Yu, Eric Yun, and Conrad Yun
- Braiding Sweetgrass: Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge, and the Teachings of Plants., Robin Wall Kimmerer
- Thomas Berry
- Grunch of Giants, Buckminster Fuller
- Donella Meadows
- Neuromancer, William Gibson
- Alex Ebert
- Ben Von Wong
- The Stubborn Optimist's Guide, Center for Humane Technology's Your Undivided Attention episode with Christiana Figueres
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