
Bonus: What Happens When the People Decide?
07/14/22 • 34 min
In this bonus episode we’re featuring content from a new podcast called “When the People Decide”. Host Jenna Spinelle explores the basics of the ballot initiative and the history of how it caught on in the United States.
She investigates the backstory behind a campaign in Michigan to end partisan gerrymandering in 2018 which is part of a legacy of ballot initiatives dating back to the 1800s. After becoming disillusioned with the results of the 2016 election, Katie Fahey took to Facebook to gauge the interest of grassroots mobilization amongst her colleagues, friends and family.
Now the executive director of a nonpartisan voter reform organization, Fahey shares how the ballot initiative excited everyday people about becoming active in politics, including its 10,000 volunteers, and how they were inspired to make political changes in their communities.
Links
https://www.thepeopledecide.show/ (When the People Decide website)
@PeopleDecidePod (When the People Decide Twitter)
“Victory! Fair Congressional Maps Upheld by Michigan Court” (Campaign Legal Center)
“Two Ways Politicians Are Making It Harder To Pass Ballot Initiatives” (Campaign Legal Center)
About CLC
Democracy Decoded is a production of Campaign Legal Center, a nonpartisan nonprofit organization which advances democracy through law at the federal, state and local levels, fighting for every American’s right to responsive government and a fair opportunity to participate in and affect the democratic process. You can visit us on the web at campaignlegalcenter.org.
In this bonus episode we’re featuring content from a new podcast called “When the People Decide”. Host Jenna Spinelle explores the basics of the ballot initiative and the history of how it caught on in the United States.
She investigates the backstory behind a campaign in Michigan to end partisan gerrymandering in 2018 which is part of a legacy of ballot initiatives dating back to the 1800s. After becoming disillusioned with the results of the 2016 election, Katie Fahey took to Facebook to gauge the interest of grassroots mobilization amongst her colleagues, friends and family.
Now the executive director of a nonpartisan voter reform organization, Fahey shares how the ballot initiative excited everyday people about becoming active in politics, including its 10,000 volunteers, and how they were inspired to make political changes in their communities.
Links
https://www.thepeopledecide.show/ (When the People Decide website)
@PeopleDecidePod (When the People Decide Twitter)
“Victory! Fair Congressional Maps Upheld by Michigan Court” (Campaign Legal Center)
“Two Ways Politicians Are Making It Harder To Pass Ballot Initiatives” (Campaign Legal Center)
About CLC
Democracy Decoded is a production of Campaign Legal Center, a nonpartisan nonprofit organization which advances democracy through law at the federal, state and local levels, fighting for every American’s right to responsive government and a fair opportunity to participate in and affect the democratic process. You can visit us on the web at campaignlegalcenter.org.
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Giving a Voice to All Americans
Democracies work best when everyone can participate meaningfully, but wealthy special interests and a small number of big donors have come to dominate the funding of political campaigns - if money is speech, some people (and groups, and corporations) are speaking MUCH louder than others.
In the season finale, Simone dives into the world of public financing, examining how two cities on opposite sides of the country took important steps to provide candidates with public funds to support their election efforts. Programs like those now in use in Seattle, Washington and Washington, D.C. can reorient our elections by encouraging the best and brightest candidates to seek public office and motivating them to connect with the people they want to represent.
Guests:
Catie Kelley is senior director of Policy & Strategic Partnerships at CLC, overseeing the organization’s policy work at the federal, state and local levels. She is leading CLC's work to address the emerging threats of election sabotage. Previously, Catie built and ran CLC's state campaign finance program. In that capacity, she worked with state and local stakeholders and policymakers to advance innovative policies designed to decrease the influence of money in the political process. She began her legal career in the Federal Election Commission's Office of General Counsel.
Read her full bio here.
René LeBeau has over 20 years of elections experience at the state, county, and city level. In 2016, she joined the Seattle Ethics and Elections Commission to implement and administer the first-ever Democracy Voucher Program. She is a life-long Washington resident who calls Seattle home.
Wayne Barnett has helmed the Seattle Ethics and Elections Commission for 18 years, after completing three years with the Massachusetts State Ethics Commission. He started his public service work with stints with Congressman John Dingell and Senator Kent Conrad, before studying law at New York University.
Councilmember Christina Henderson is an At-Large member of the Council of the District of Columbia. Christina’s career has been guided by the principle that one’s zip code should not determine your opportunity for success, and she is excited to work each and every day to make this principle a reality for all DC residents. As a trusted political advisor, Christina has counseled United States Senators, DC Council members, and state and local education officials on an array of domestic policy issues which deeply impacts families and children. Christina lives in Petworth with her husband Nu, their daughters Jordan and Cameron, and rescue dog Langston.
Dexter Williams is a native Washingtonian who grew up in the Hillcrest neighborhood of Ward 7, where he currently lives. He organized residents, with other leaders around the city, to establish the DC Fair Elections program. Dexter works for RepresentUs, focusing on making election systems around the country better and is also the elected Ward 7 Democratic State Committeeman, where he educates voters about the democratic process and works to build interest and participation in the Democratic Party. He is currently running for DC Council At-Large.
Links for Part One:
Democracy Voucher Program (Seattle.gov)
“Seattle candidates again vie for ‘democracy vouchers’ as they pivot to November election” (The Seattle Times)
Elster v. City of Seattle (Campaign Legal Center)
“Supreme Court Leaves Seattle’s Democracy Voucher System in Place” (Campaign Legal Center)
Links for Part Two:
Fair Elections Program (dc.gov)
“What We Learned from DC’s Fair Elections Program” (Campaign Legal Center)
“The Fair Elections Program is changing politics as usual in D.C.” (The Washington Post)
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Bonus: Foreign Interference With Far-Reaching Consequences
In this bonus episode, Simone explores the backstory behind a case of foreign interference in U.S. elections which had far reaching consequences, both in America and abroad. Joined by two former Campaign Legal Center staff members who uncovered the scheme, she examines the case of Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman – the Trump allies who laundered a six-figure contribution to a super PAC through a shell corporation and pushed for the removal of the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine.
Guests:
Brendan Fischer currently serves as Deputy Executive Director at Documented, having served as Director, Federal Reform at CLC from 2016-2022. He has expertise in campaign finance, government ethics, lobbying and political transparency issues, and is a frequent commentator for national news publications. He also has spoken at conferences and events nationwide on money-in-politics issues. Before CLC, Brendan was General Counsel with the Center for Media and Democracy, where he led the watchdog group’s legal research and advocacy efforts.
Maggie Christ is a law student at New York University School of Law. For four years prior to attending law school, she worked at the Campaign Legal Center as Campaign Finance Researcher (2017-2020) and Senior Researcher (2020-2021). At CLC, she investigated campaign finance violations, researched money-in-politics trends, and supported the campaign finance program’s enforcement, litigation, and advocacy work. Maggie is a graduate of Swarthmore College, where she received a bachelor’s degree with high honors in History and Economics.
Tara Malloy is CLC’s Senior Director of Appellate Litigation & Strategy. She litigates a wide range of campaign finance and election law cases in courts across the United States, and has expertise in campaign finance, political disclosure and ethics issues. Tara has represented parties or amici curiae in many recent campaign finance cases that reached the U.S. Supreme Court, including Citizens United v. FEC and McCutcheon v. FEC, as well as in political disclosure cases involving laws from various states and municipalities.
Links:
“CLC Complaint Results in Arrest of Two Ukrainian-American Trump Donors Connected to Giuliani” (Campaign Legal Center)
“What the Impeachment Inquiry Has Highlighted About Lev Parnas, Igor Fruman, and Rudy Giuliani's Corrupt Activities in Ukraine” (Campaign Legal Center)
“The Real Backstory to the Arrest of Two Ukrainian-American Trump Donors” (Campaign Legal Center)
“Who was Rudolph Giuliani really working for?” Op-Ed by CLC’s Trevor Potter and Delaney Marsco (Washington Post)
“Ex-Giuliani Buddy Lev Parnas Convicted in Illegal Foreign Influence Operation” (The Daily Beast)
“Lev Parnas Sentenced To 20 Months In Prison For Campaign Finance, Wire Fraud, And False Statements Offenses” (U.S. Department of Justice)
About CLC
Democracy Decoded is a production of Campaign Legal Center, a nonpartisan nonprofit organization which advances democracy through law at the federal, state and local levels, fighting for every American’s right to responsive government and a fair opportunity to participate in and affect the democratic process. You can visit us on the web at campaignlegalcenter.org.
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