
Does History Repeat Itself? Bret Speaks with Mattias Desmet
07/12/22 • 122 min
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Bret Speaks with Mattias Desmet on the subject of mass formation, a topic Mattias has spent a great deal of time exploring and has written a recent book on (The Psychology of Totalitarianism), linked below. They tackle this process from their differing backgrounds of expertise and discuss what it suggests about our path into the future.
Find Mattias’ book on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Psychology-Totalitarianism-Mattias-Desmet/dp/1645021726/ref=sr_1_1?qid=1657654629&refinements=p_27%3AMattias+Desmet&s=books&sr=1-1
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Timestamps:
(00:00) Introduction
(02:10) Sponsors
(05:32) What is mass formation?
(09:55) Modern masses Vs ancient masses
(15:10) Conditions for mass formation
(31:00) Desirable evolutionary reason for mass formation
(39:20) Evergreen mass formation
(43:00) Mass formation is a state of madness
(47:15) Bret and Mattias disagreement
(54:25) What if Hitler had won
(01:01:36) Mass formation is a symptom
(01:03:20) Love and rationality
(01:07:50) Is mass formation rational?
(01:12:32) Individuals who stood up during pandemic
(01:18:58) Woke mass formation
(01:29:40) Importance of words and language
(01:34:11) Isolation during the pandemic
(01:36:35) One mass formation after another
(01:42:40) Unease across the population
(01:45:22) Reductionist mechanist materialist ideology
(01:59:30) Wrap up
Bret Speaks with Mattias Desmet on the subject of mass formation, a topic Mattias has spent a great deal of time exploring and has written a recent book on (The Psychology of Totalitarianism), linked below. They tackle this process from their differing backgrounds of expertise and discuss what it suggests about our path into the future.
Find Mattias’ book on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Psychology-Totalitarianism-Mattias-Desmet/dp/1645021726/ref=sr_1_1?qid=1657654629&refinements=p_27%3AMattias+Desmet&s=books&sr=1-1
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Vivo Barefoot: Shoes for healthy feet—comfortable and regenerative, enhances stability and tactile feedback. Go to www.vivobarefoot.com/us/darkhorse to get 20% off, and a 100-day free trial.
Moink: Grass-fed and grass-finished beef and lamb, pastured pork and chicken, and wild caught Alaskan salmon. Visit www.moinkbox.com/darkhorse to get a year’s worth of filet mignon free when you sign up.
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Find Bret Weinstein on Twitter: @BretWeinstein, and on Patreon.
https://www.patreon.com/bretweinstein
Please subscribe to this channel for more long form content like this, and subscribe to the clips channel @DarkHorse Podcast Clips for short clips of all our podcasts: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAWCKUrmvK5F_ynBY_CMlIA
All removed videos can be found on Spotify Video and Odysee: https://open.spotify.com/show/57R7dOcs60jUfOnuNG0J1R https://odysee.com/@BretWeinstein
Check out the DHP store! Epic tabby, digital book burning, saddle up the dire wolves, and more: http://www.store.darkhorsepodcast.org
Theme Music: Thank you to Martin Molin of Wintergatan for providing us the rights to use their excellent music.
*****
Timestamps:
(00:00) Introduction
(02:10) Sponsors
(05:32) What is mass formation?
(09:55) Modern masses Vs ancient masses
(15:10) Conditions for mass formation
(31:00) Desirable evolutionary reason for mass formation
(39:20) Evergreen mass formation
(43:00) Mass formation is a state of madness
(47:15) Bret and Mattias disagreement
(54:25) What if Hitler had won
(01:01:36) Mass formation is a symptom
(01:03:20) Love and rationality
(01:07:50) Is mass formation rational?
(01:12:32) Individuals who stood up during pandemic
(01:18:58) Woke mass formation
(01:29:40) Importance of words and language
(01:34:11) Isolation during the pandemic
(01:36:35) One mass formation after another
(01:42:40) Unease across the population
(01:45:22) Reductionist mechanist materialist ideology
(01:59:30) Wrap up
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Mentioned in this episode:
Fraiman, J., Erviti, J., Jones, M., Greenland, S., Whelan, P., Kaplan, R.M. and Doshi, P., 2022. Serious Adverse Events of Special Interest Following mRNA Vaccination in Randomized Trials: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4125239
In Washington state, Governor Inslee mandates vaccines for state employees: https://www.governor.wa.gov/news-media/inslee-issues-directive-covid-19-vaccination-standards-state-employees
In Canada, new mandates to get boosted every nine months: https://torontosun.com/news/national/two-doses-are-no-longer-enough-canadians-required-to-get-covid-shot-every-nine-months
On Sesame Street, Elmo gets vaccinated, and protects the whole neighborhood! https://twitter.com/elmo/status/1541778204129742850?s=20&t=LreC6hZFS_ZyxRRBw_FxhA
JJ Couey on twitter: https://twitter.com/jjcouey
JJ Couey in conversation with Kevin Mc
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In this 134th in a series of live discussions with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying (both PhDs in Biology), we discuss the state of the world through an evolutionary lens.
This week, we discuss Howard Zinn, scones, and the existence of God. We discuss accidents and injury, and Bret proposes a hypothesis for why his recent bicycle accident happened. We discuss memory, frame rate, electric unicycles, and motorcycles. We discuss the moon: the full moon, tidal locking, Oliver Sacks, viewing the Earth from outside of itself, and Apollo 11, which launched 53 years today, and would result, a few days later, in humanity’s first moon landing. We discuss isopropyl alcohol: it is not only a wonderful antiseptic, disinfectant, and cleanser, but also, apparently, an effective stunner of flies.
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Our book, A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century, is available everywhere books are sold, and signed copies are available here: https://darvillsbookstore.indielite.org
Check out our store! Epic tabby, digital book burning, saddle up the dire wolves, and more: https://darkhorsestore.org
Heather’s newsletter, Natural Selections (subscribe to get free weekly essays in your inbox): https://naturalselections.substack.com
Find more from us on Bret’s website (https://bretweinstein.net) or Heather’s website (http://heatherheying.com).
Become a member of the DarkHorse LiveStreams, and get access to an additional Q&A livestream every month. Join at Heather's Patreon.
Like this content? Subscribe to the channel, like this video, follow us on twitter (@BretWeinstein, @HeatherEHeying), and consider helping us out by contributing to either of our Patreons or Bret’s Paypal.
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Theme Music: Thank you to Martin Molin of Wintergatan for providing us the rights to use their excellent music.
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Q&A Link: https://youtu.be/UuRVbXwOroI
Mentioned in this episode:
Howard Zinn: https://www.howardzinn.org
Memories of a Mugging: https://medium.com/@heyingh/memories-of-a-mugging-42c19dd126f8
Apollo 11 Mission Overview: https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/apollo/missions/apollo11.html
Apollo 8’s Earthrise photograph: https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/resources/2234/the-story-behind-apollo-8s-famous-earthrise-photo/
Oliver Sacks: https://www.oliversacks.com
Isopropyl: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isopropyl_alcohol
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