Can we Break Free? Bret Speaks with Michael Shellenberger
07/21/22 • 188 min
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Bret Speaks with Michael Shellenberger regarding his recent gubernatorial campaign in California. They discuss the difficulty inherent in running for political office outside of the two major parties. In addition, they touch on topics ranging from nuclear power to Covid, and how we might go about escaping the modern predicament we have landed in.
Find Michael at his website: https://shellenberger.org/
Buy Michael’s latest book on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/San-Fransicko-Progressives-Ruin-Cities/dp/0063093626/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1652994380&sr=8-1
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Theme Music: Thank you to Martin Molin of Wintergatan for providing us the rights to use their excellent music.
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Timestamps:
(00:00) Introduction
(01:40) Bret misjudged Michael
(04:20) Sponsors
(05:45) Disappointment from election
(07:40) Yang, Amash, Gabbard
(10:20) IDW for political change and previous elections
(14:32) Andrew Yang and lone wolf disease
(20:55) Third party and hidden tribes report
(31:45) Party identity
(34:40) Lack of endorsements
(41:12) Homelessness coverage is now more balanced
(43:52) Michael Shellenberger on COVID
(45:35) Bret's COVID position
(01:04:20) Critics of Bret's ivm position
(01:13:52) COVID dissidents
(01:18:30) Nuclear weapons
(01:28:10) Nuclear energy
(01:33:52) Energy transitions and fusion
(01:41:30) Spent fuel rods and fuel pools
(01:48:40) Fukushima and Chernobyl
(02:00:32) Deaths from Nuclear, fentanyl, COVID
(02:04:22) Water cooled nuclear plants and coolants
(02:08:25) Human factors and Three Mile Island
(02:11:20) Dealing with spent fuel fires
(02:20:40) Dry cast storage
(02:25:20) Power grid down
(02:37:40) WIPP project
(02:45:50) What would Bret do with energy
(02:50:00) Nuclear war inevitable
(02:59:30) Bret's skepticism
(03:03:00) Wrap up
Bret Speaks with Michael Shellenberger regarding his recent gubernatorial campaign in California. They discuss the difficulty inherent in running for political office outside of the two major parties. In addition, they touch on topics ranging from nuclear power to Covid, and how we might go about escaping the modern predicament we have landed in.
Find Michael at his website: https://shellenberger.org/
Buy Michael’s latest book on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/San-Fransicko-Progressives-Ruin-Cities/dp/0063093626/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1652994380&sr=8-1
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View on Spotify Video: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1QfwliVVnToxKoYlzYHUMZ
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Find Bret Weinstein on Twitter:
@BretWeinstein (https://twitter.com/BretWeinstein?s=20&t=Z8UMHvIbcf3PMJHRm-MnuA),
and on Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/bretweinstein).
Please subscribe to this channel for more long form content like this, and subscribe to the clips channel @DarkHorse Podcast Clips for short clips of all our podcasts.
Check out the DHP store! Epic tabby, digital book burning, saddle up the dire wolves, and more: https://www.darkhorsestore.org
Theme Music: Thank you to Martin Molin of Wintergatan for providing us the rights to use their excellent music.
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Timestamps:
(00:00) Introduction
(01:40) Bret misjudged Michael
(04:20) Sponsors
(05:45) Disappointment from election
(07:40) Yang, Amash, Gabbard
(10:20) IDW for political change and previous elections
(14:32) Andrew Yang and lone wolf disease
(20:55) Third party and hidden tribes report
(31:45) Party identity
(34:40) Lack of endorsements
(41:12) Homelessness coverage is now more balanced
(43:52) Michael Shellenberger on COVID
(45:35) Bret's COVID position
(01:04:20) Critics of Bret's ivm position
(01:13:52) COVID dissidents
(01:18:30) Nuclear weapons
(01:28:10) Nuclear energy
(01:33:52) Energy transitions and fusion
(01:41:30) Spent fuel rods and fuel pools
(01:48:40) Fukushima and Chernobyl
(02:00:32) Deaths from Nuclear, fentanyl, COVID
(02:04:22) Water cooled nuclear plants and coolants
(02:08:25) Human factors and Three Mile Island
(02:11:20) Dealing with spent fuel fires
(02:20:40) Dry cast storage
(02:25:20) Power grid down
(02:37:40) WIPP project
(02:45:50) What would Bret do with energy
(02:50:00) Nuclear war inevitable
(02:59:30) Bret's skepticism
(03:03:00) Wrap up
Previous Episode
#134: Flies in the Face of Reason (Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying DarkHorse Livestream)
View on Odysee: https://odysee.com/@BretWeinstein:f/EvoLens134:0?r=4uduif6gFWnKY3Bktmi8XwCNa7UxSJpb
View on Spotify (With video):
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In this 134th in a series of live discussions with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying (both PhDs in Biology), we discuss the state of the world through an evolutionary lens.
This week, we discuss Howard Zinn, scones, and the existence of God. We discuss accidents and injury, and Bret proposes a hypothesis for why his recent bicycle accident happened. We discuss memory, frame rate, electric unicycles, and motorcycles. We discuss the moon: the full moon, tidal locking, Oliver Sacks, viewing the Earth from outside of itself, and Apollo 11, which launched 53 years today, and would result, a few days later, in humanity’s first moon landing. We discuss isopropyl alcohol: it is not only a wonderful antiseptic, disinfectant, and cleanser, but also, apparently, an effective stunner of flies.
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Theme Music: Thank you to Martin Molin of Wintergatan for providing us the rights to use their excellent music.
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Q&A Link: https://youtu.be/UuRVbXwOroI
Mentioned in this episode:
Howard Zinn: https://www.howardzinn.org
Memories of a Mugging: https://medium.com/@heyingh/memories-of-a-mugging-42c19dd126f8
Apollo 11 Mission Overview: https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/apollo/missions/apollo11.html
Apollo 8’s Earthrise photograph: https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/resources/2234/the-story-behind-apollo-8s-famous-earthrise-photo/
Oliver Sacks: https://www.oliversacks.com
Isopropyl: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isopropyl_alcohol
Next Episode
#135 Signal Lost (Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying DarkHorse Livestream)
View on Odysee: https://odysee.com/@BretWeinstein:f/EvoLens135:4
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In this 135th in a series of live discussions with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying (both PhDs in Biology), we discuss the state of the world through an evolutionary lens.
This week, we discuss how, with regard to Covid, natural immunity compares to vaccine-induced immunity. Is the omicron variant unique in this regard? What science has been done to address the question? When is it acceptable to cite a preprint, and when must you absolutely, positively rely solely on peer-reviewed literature? What did the world do to deserve wrestling with this virus into an unspecified future? Are the Attorneys General of Missouri and Louisiana on to something? Political violence in this country is being pursued by the January 6 committee—but how much of it is being included? And: is peer review value added, or value subtracted? Also: how alarmist are glaciers?
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Check out our store! Epic tabby, digital book burning, saddle up the dire wolves, and more: https://darkhorsestore.org
Heather’s newsletter, Natural Selections (subscribe to get free weekly essays in your inbox): https://naturalselections.substack.com
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Mentioned in this episode:
Nature News article on prior Omicron infection: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01950-2
CDC on SARS-CoV2 variants: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/variant-classifications.html?msclkid=29647209ac7011ec95de22acaee31a78
Altarawneh et al 2022. Protection of SARS-CoV-2 natural infection against reinfection with the BA. 4 or BA. 5 Omicron subvariants. medRxiv: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.07.11.22277448v1
Chemaitelly et al 2022. Duration of immune protection of SARS-CoV-2 natural infection against reinfection in Qatar. medRxiv: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.07.06.22277306v1.full.pdf
Missouri & Louisiana Attorneys General File Suit Against President Biden, Top Admin Officials for Allegedly Colluding with Social Media Giants to Censor and Suppress Free Speech: https://ago.mo.gov/home/news/2022/05/05/missouri-louisiana-ags-file-suit-against-president-biden-top-admin-officials-for-allegedly-colluding-with-social-media-giants-to-censor-and-suppress-free-speech
Jeremy Lee Quinn article in Newsweek on January 6 hearings: https://www.newsweek.com/jan-6-followed-years-political-violence-committee-should-investigate-leftist-violence-too-1727190
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