85: Accidents of Substance

In this speculative conversation, the hosts cover a range of topics related to history, culture, religion, and society. They discuss the legacies of historical figures like Christopher Columbus and the complexities of European colonization in the Americas. This leads to a debate about the definition of "colonization" and whether opportunism is distinct from overt takeover.

Other topics include the possibilities of lost civilizations and hidden archaeological discoveries, examining claims made in the documentary "Ancient Apocalypse." The co-hosts also analyze issues around controlling and shaping historical narratives, and the tendency for cultures to view themselves as more enlightened than previous eras.

Touching on geopolitics, they talk about the challenges of imposing external values and systems of governance on countries like Afghanistan. The hosts reflect on themes of cultural relativism, the universal human desires for security and economic stability, and the complications inherent in cross-cultural engagement throughout history.

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