
Creating Structure Podcast #17, Patrick MacLeamy, Author, Chairman, buildingSMART Int’l / Former CEO, HOK, FAIA
05/04/21 • 74 min
This episode welcomes Mr. Patrick MacLeamy, Architect, Author, Chairman, Fellow AIA, and so much more. This podcast truly inspires. Patrick grew up in an industrial town in Southern Illinois, and went to architecture school at the University of Illinois. Starting as a project designer at HOK Architects, then a single office in St Louis, Patrick rose to CEO of the company during a career that spanned 50 years. Patrick interviewed with and initially worked under HOK's Gyo Obata, (the "O") architect, the son of painter Chiura Obata. In 1955, Mr. Obata co-founded HOK with George Hellmuth, and George Kassabaum. Patrick discusses the foundational structure for HOK and how it was fundamental to their growth and success.
In addition, we get into the formation of buildingSMART , the worldwide authority driving transformation of the built environment through creation & adoption of open, international BIM standards. We talk about "the MacCleamy Curve" and how it relates to BIM.
There's also formative discussion around principles for how to successfully manage and grow a professional services firm. Patrick talks about strategies to deal with downward cycles in the economy.
Along the way we also discuss many other topics:
- Generational architects and builders
- His VW Beetle getting him to and from interviews
- Washington University, St Louis, School of Architecture
- Internment camps in WWII
- Dealing with bankers
- Paying off Credit lines
- Designing with budget in mind
- Putting the architect back in the center of society
- Noble buildings
- Health and wellness
- and more
Listen, enjoy, leave a comment!
Guest:
Patrick MacLeamy
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-macleamy/
Website : https://macleamy.com/
buildingSmart non profit : https://www.linkedin.com/company/buildingsmart-international/
The Book:
Designing a World-Class Architecture Firm - (35% Discount Code for Creating Structure listeners) Use Code "ARC33" during checkout: https://www.wiley.com/en-us/search?pq=macleamy%7Crelevance
Patrick'sBuild Smart Podcast: https://gablmedia.com/show/buildsmart
HOK Architects: https://www.hok.com/
Host:
John L Wheaton, PE, CEO, Wheaton Sprague
Blog: https://johnlwheaton.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-wheaton-pe-leed-ap-0694886
Twitter: https://twitter.com/JohnLWheaton1
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnlwheaton1/
Wheaton Sprague
Company: https://www.wheatonsprague.com
Twitter: https://twitter.com/wheatonsprague
Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/wheatonsprague/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/wheatonsprague/
Audio, Engineering, Jingle
https://www.instagram.com/rustbeltmoneyprod/
This episode welcomes Mr. Patrick MacLeamy, Architect, Author, Chairman, Fellow AIA, and so much more. This podcast truly inspires. Patrick grew up in an industrial town in Southern Illinois, and went to architecture school at the University of Illinois. Starting as a project designer at HOK Architects, then a single office in St Louis, Patrick rose to CEO of the company during a career that spanned 50 years. Patrick interviewed with and initially worked under HOK's Gyo Obata, (the "O") architect, the son of painter Chiura Obata. In 1955, Mr. Obata co-founded HOK with George Hellmuth, and George Kassabaum. Patrick discusses the foundational structure for HOK and how it was fundamental to their growth and success.
In addition, we get into the formation of buildingSMART , the worldwide authority driving transformation of the built environment through creation & adoption of open, international BIM standards. We talk about "the MacCleamy Curve" and how it relates to BIM.
There's also formative discussion around principles for how to successfully manage and grow a professional services firm. Patrick talks about strategies to deal with downward cycles in the economy.
Along the way we also discuss many other topics:
- Generational architects and builders
- His VW Beetle getting him to and from interviews
- Washington University, St Louis, School of Architecture
- Internment camps in WWII
- Dealing with bankers
- Paying off Credit lines
- Designing with budget in mind
- Putting the architect back in the center of society
- Noble buildings
- Health and wellness
- and more
Listen, enjoy, leave a comment!
Guest:
Patrick MacLeamy
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-macleamy/
Website : https://macleamy.com/
buildingSmart non profit : https://www.linkedin.com/company/buildingsmart-international/
The Book:
Designing a World-Class Architecture Firm - (35% Discount Code for Creating Structure listeners) Use Code "ARC33" during checkout: https://www.wiley.com/en-us/search?pq=macleamy%7Crelevance
Patrick'sBuild Smart Podcast: https://gablmedia.com/show/buildsmart
HOK Architects: https://www.hok.com/
Host:
John L Wheaton, PE, CEO, Wheaton Sprague
Blog: https://johnlwheaton.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-wheaton-pe-leed-ap-0694886
Twitter: https://twitter.com/JohnLWheaton1
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnlwheaton1/
Wheaton Sprague
Company: https://www.wheatonsprague.com
Twitter: https://twitter.com/wheatonsprague
Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/wheatonsprague/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/wheatonsprague/
Audio, Engineering, Jingle
https://www.instagram.com/rustbeltmoneyprod/
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Creating Structure Podcast #16, Daniel Winterich, Artist / Architect at Studio Winterich
Welcome Daniel Winterich to Episode #16 of the Creating Structure Podcast. Dan is an architect, artist, and helps architects, designers, and building owners distinguish their projects by providing commissioned art, architectural glass, sculpture, water features, and building-integrated art installations. Dan is a 5th generation glass artisan and grew up in his family's business specializing in church interiors, including stained glass installations, and complete interiors. From his LinkedIn profile, Jim Maxwell says, "Daniel Winterich brings to every project his keen intuition, creativity, and sensitivity to the clients dreams and desires. It is in his genetic make-up it seems (being a 5th generation glass artisan) as he brings those dreams and desires to light through his glass creations." This is an excellent description of Dan's insight and capability.
Raised in Chesterland, Ohio, Dan's path took him to Cincinnati, Germany, and then California. Dan has a BS degree in Interior Design from the University of Cincinnati. Dan is thoughtful, creative, interesting and well-studied. You'll note the measured tone of the conversation and clear answers.
Interestingly, the host, and Dan, go back 43 years, but not as one would think. The connection is revealed later in the podcast as to how they are connected, and how they were re-connected. It's a great story. Listen to the end and you'll hear it.
Listen as this session builds and unfolds deeper and deeper, like unpacking layers or working in tightening concentric circles. Topics covered include:
- Church interiors in Cleveland to Art installations in the the Bay area in California and beyond
- Interior design, art, architecture
- Collaboration and collaborative networks
- Integrating Art and Architecture as a team
- Innovations in facade design
- Integrating work with the glazing subcontractor
- Innovating glass forms
- Stained Glass to Art Glass
- The geometric pattern of an acorn nut cap
- Oakland City historical rail tokens
- History of glass artisan work to contemporary glass work
- Glass Fabrication
- West Geauga High School
- Metal Work
- Structural engineering of Stained Glass
- Family business
- more...
Guest:
Dan Winterich
LinkedIn Dan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-winterich-b590901/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/danielwinterich
Instagram Dan:https://www.instagram.com/studiowinterich/
Website : http://www.winterich.com/
Host:
John L Wheaton, PE, CEO, Wheaton Sprague
Blog: https://johnlwheaton.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-wheaton-pe-leed-ap-0694886
Twitter: https://twitter.com/JohnLWheaton1
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnlwheaton1/
Wheaton Sprague
Company: https://www.wheatonsprague.com
Twitter: https://twitter.com/wheatonsprague
Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/wheatonsprague/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/wheatonsprague/
Audio, Engineering, Jingle
https://www.instagram.com/rustbeltmoneyprod/
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Creating Structure Podcast #18, Shaun Blott, National Sales Manager for JORDAHL Anchor Products
Welcome to Podcast #18.
Shaun Blott grew up in Western Canada, born and raised around Calgary, Alberta. Shaun is an expert in two major categories.
One of those categories is sales, and this interview has some real "nuggets" of wisdom and practical application that can apply in any scenario, whether doing direct sales or managing a sales group. Shaun has experience in both, along with retail sales and B2B sales in construction products. Much to be gained here.
The second category is embedded concrete devices. Shaun is the national sales manager for Jordahl, USA, a manufacturer of concrete embeds and more. Shaun started in a form of an entrepreneurial venture when in 2009, just 12 years ago, he was charged with developing the distribution channels and buying network for Jordahl products. Prior to this time Jordahl had zero sales in the USA.
We walk through a variety of topics about the above including everything from sales, sales strategies, gaining trust in the engineering community, glaziers, architecture, coming to the USA from Canada, some product history, building "skin" vs "building skeleton" vs. "building connective tissue."
Oh, and I cant forget hockey (Shaun is a hockey fan), Stanly Cup predictions, and a little history of the Cleveland Barron's, the old Cleveland Arena, and stick-day at the hockey game.
There's something for most everyone in this. Listen, comment, enjoy!
Guest:
Shaun Blott
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shaun-blott-686333b/
Jordahl
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/jordahlusa/
Website: https://www.jordahlusa.com/en/
Host:
John L Wheaton, PE, CEO, Wheaton Sprague
Blog: https://johnlwheaton.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-wheaton-pe-leed-ap-0694886
Twitter: https://twitter.com/JohnLWheaton1
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnlwheaton1/
Wheaton Sprague
Company: https://www.wheatonsprague.com
Twitter: https://twitter.com/wheatonsprague
Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/wheatonsprague/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/wheatonsprague/
Audio, Engineering, Jingle
https://www.instagram.com/rustbeltmoneyprod/
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