Chief Change Officer
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#226 Sara Lobkovich: Why Playing Life on Hard Mode Might Be Your Best Advantage – Part One
Chief Change Officer
03/13/25 • 35 min
Some people color inside the lines. Others—like Sara Lobkovich—ditch the coloring book altogether and make their own rules.
A proud introvert, ADHDer, and change-maker, Sara turned years of navigating life’s twists into two books designed to help others do the same. In Part 1, we’ll hear how she went from feeling like an outsider to building a thriving career by embracing what makes her different. And in Part 2, we’ll break down her books—what’s inside, who they’re for, and why they actually work.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
The Milk Activist: Chocolate Milk Equality at Age Nine
“I successfully petitioned the cafeteria ladies for milk equality... so that the bag lunch kids could also have chocolate milk on Friday.”
Job Hopping or Scanning? Redefining a Nonlinear Career
“They called it job hopping, but my career coach reframed it as being a ‘scanner’ with lots of interests. Turns out, I wasn’t hopping, I was just too excited to make things better!”
The Burnout Chronicles: From Always-On-the-Go to Needing a Why
“I was that guy on the plane, always on the go. My dog lived with my parents for way too long. That lifestyle led me to burnout, and I realized I needed to do things differently.”
Curiosity as a Cure: How Staying Curious Helped Me Avoid Feeling Stuck
“Curiosity is an antidote to stuckness and anxiety. Later in my career, I developed the ability to always have a playground in my brain—something to learn.”
Turning a Job Disappointment into an MBA in Enterprise Politics
“Instead of feeling frustrated, I reframed my experience as a mini MBA in navigating large political organizations with resistance to change.”
Strategy Isn’t About Being the Smartest in the Room—It’s About Asking the Right Questions
“Being a strategist is not just being the smartest person in the room. It’s having a toolkit of questions that uncover facts, spark insight, and develop ideas.”
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Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Sara Lobkovich
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--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
for Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,
Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.
10 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>130,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
for Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,
Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.
12 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>140,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
#303 Holly Bond: Fixing Recruiting Without Losing the Human
Chief Change Officer
04/16/25 • 34 min
In this second half of her story, Holly Bond comes full circle—returning to the recruiting world she once left behind, this time to rebuild it from the ground up. At Facets, she’s proving that scaling a business doesn’t require sacrificing soul. From her pay structure to her candidate experience to her team’s human-first process, Holly is quietly leading a revolution in executive search.
She also drops some of the best job-seeking advice on the show to date—especially for Gen Xers navigating reinvention in an AI-shaped job market.
>>Why She Said No for Two Years
“I wasn’t going back unless I could build it on my terms.”
Holly shares how she turned down the offer to lead a recruiting division—until the company agreed to let her rewrite the model with empathy at the core.
>>From Commission to Compassion
“I spent 90 minutes with a man in crisis. And someone called it non-revenue-generating time.”
That moment made her walk away. Now, she leads a team that’s paid to care—not just to close.
>>Human-First Headhunting
“We’re not built for speed. We’re built for connection.”
Facets was founded to serve both candidates and clients—not just fill roles. The process is slow by design, and that’s the point.
>>Can’t-Miss Advice for Job Seekers
“Keep your resume on your desktop—like a living will.”
From networking mindset to real-world resume tips, Holly offers grounded, no-BS advice for job seekers of all ages, especially those in their 40s, 50s, and 60s.
>>What AI Can’t Replace
“We use AI to be more efficient—so we can be more human.”
Holly explains exactly where AI fits into her recruiting process—and where it never will. Emotional nuance, creativity, and human connection? Still 100% analog.
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Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Holly Bond
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
for Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,
Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.
12 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>140,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
#302 Holly Bond: From Mom on a Mission to Franchise Founder
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04/15/25 • 31 min
Holly Bond didn’t inherit a business or a playbook—she built her own, from the basement up.
In this first of a two-part conversation, she shares how a late return to university, a family health wake-up call, and pure Gen X tenacity drove her to create a kids’ fitness franchise with national impact. Holly’s story is part entrepreneurship, part emotional reckoning, and full of hard-earned wisdom for anyone designing change from the inside out. If you’ve ever thought it was too late, too messy, or too uncertain—this episode proves otherwise.
>>Seventeen Years and One Framed Diploma
“My kids framed my degree—with notes saying ‘You’re the bomb.’”
Holly recounts how she returned to college as a mom of two, taking one course at a time over nearly two decades—proving that starting late doesn’t mean finishing small.
>>Sales from Scratch
“I went from mall dumpsters to headhunter interviews.”
Her first outside sales job was in waste management. The job was unglamorous—but it proved she could sell. And it led her, unexpectedly, to the world of recruiting.
>>The Moment That Changed Everything
“He said our son was overweight. I didn’t believe it—until I saw it.”
A brutally honest conversation about her son’s health launched Holly into action. What began as a home gym turned into Bulldog Interactive Fitness, a children’s fitness franchise powered by gaming.
>>From Basement Prototypes to National News
“I said we’re franchising on TV—before we even had an application form.”
She hustled media coverage, fielded 100+ franchise inquiries in 24 hours, and built the brand on the fly. It was messy. It was bold. And it worked—until the 2009 crash tested everything.
>>The Lessons That Nearly Broke Her
“I stopped listening to the advisors who warned me. Almost lost it all.”
From overconfidence to near-collapse, Holly reflects on how she came close to losing her company—and what pulled her back just in time.
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Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Holly Bond
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
for Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,
Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.
12 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>140,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
#301 Sande Golgart: What If You’re Winning the Wrong Game? — Part Two
Chief Change Officer
04/15/25 • 41 min
In Part Two, Sande takes us into the quieter—but more honest—chapter that followed. He shares what happened when he stepped off the growth treadmill, redefined ambition, and began unlearning the beliefs that kept him over-performing and under-listening. From rebuilding marriage to carving out what he calls Life Peels, Sande shares what it means to grow by subtracting—not stacking.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
Life After the Climb
“What would happen if I just got really quiet and listened? Not learned—listened.”
The Life Peels Method
“We’re like Michelangelo’s David. You don’t need to add anything—you just need to carve away what’s not you.”
Redefining Growth
“I’m done with strategy decks and trying to prove something. I just want clarity, ease, and to feel good in my skin.”
Marriage in the In-Between
“When our last kid left for college, we both needed space. Not because it was broken—but because we hadn’t had it before.”
How Less Became More
“When I let go of trying to control everything, the right things started happening. On their own.”
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Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Sande Golgart
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
for Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,
Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.
12 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>140,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
#300 Sande Golgart: What If You’re Winning the Wrong Game? — Part One
Chief Change Officer
04/14/25 • 34 min
Sande Golgart was the guy who said yes to every opportunity, outran every challenge, and never sat still—until one day, the success story stopped feeling like his.
In Part One, he opens up about going from slam dunk champ to corporate high-performer to someone questioning the very game he was winning. He talks about early ambition, the trap of nonstop action, and the moment he realized: “You climb, climb, climb... then realize the mountain isn’t even yours.”
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
From Slam Dunks to Sales Calls
“I was competing in dunk contests all over the country. I used that same mindset in business.”
The High Performer Trap
“I just kept saying yes. I never said no. I kept moving, kept growing, kept stretching.”
Action Over Inaction
“Even if you take a wrong step, at least you’re moving. Inaction is a choice too—but it gives you nothing to work with.”
The Wake-Up Line
“You climb, climb, climb... then realized the mountain isn’t even yours.”
No Off Switch
“I didn’t even know what I liked. I never stopped long enough to ask.”
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Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Sande Golgart
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
for Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,
Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.
12 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>140,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
#299 Chris Quek: Building the Next Gen, Starting With His Own
Chief Change Officer
04/14/25 • 32 min
Chris Quek isn’t just building startups—he’s building a generation.
In this second half of his story, he shares how selling his inheritance became the launchpad for Thrive, a VC firm that invests in Southeast Asia’s overlooked next-gen entrepreneurs. From structuring value-aligned startups to teaching his kids the principles behind technology, Chris shows how legacy isn’t something you receive—it’s something you design.
For Gen Xers navigating intergenerational tension, personal ambition, and regional impact, this episode delivers both hard-won wisdom and a hopeful blueprint.
>>From Closure to Creation
“I didn’t inherit a business—I shut it down.”
Chris shares the emotional closure with his father, the sale of the family factory, and how he turned personal loss into a new professional beginning.
>>Southeast Asia’s Family Business Wake-Up Call
“We raised a generation of lawyers and bankers—but who’s left to run the businesses?”
He explains how Singapore’s success came at a cost: the erosion of entrepreneurial drive—and why he’s now building the bridge back.
>>Designing a VC That Feeds the Ecosystem
“Our investors are second-gen family owners. Our startups solve their problems.”
Chris outlines Thrive’s unique model: a purpose-built flywheel that connects capital, tech, and legacy businesses in Southeast Asia.
>>Capital with a Conscience
“We backed a ride-hailing company where drivers take home 40% more pay.”
From AgriMax to Tata, Chris shares examples of startups Thrive has funded that combine profitability with real, human impact.
>>Fatherhood, Values, and the Next Next Gen
“I don’t teach my kids my methods—I teach them my values.”
Chris opens up about parenting three children under 13, mentoring with intention, and why good values—not rigid playbooks—are what truly last.
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Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Christopher Quek
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
for Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,
Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.
12 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>140,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
#298 Chris Quek: From Inheritance to Identity
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04/14/25 • 27 min
Chris Quek could’ve stayed in the family business and lived comfortably. Instead, he chose a life of uncomfortable clarity.
In this first of a two-part series, Chris shares how he rejected expectations, fled the legacy he was born into, and built an e-commerce business in Malaysia with nothing but grit and guidance from mentors. Now 46, he reflects on what identity really means when you’re not handed a playbook—and how each phase of reinvention brings you closer to your core. For Gen Xers rewriting their lives mid-game, this is the kind of conversation that sticks.
>>When Legacy Isn’t Your Story
“I didn’t want to be the son of Mr. Quek. I wanted to be me.”
Chris explains why he left his family’s manufacturing empire and fled to Malaysia—where he started over, with no plan, no capital, and no title.
>>Courage Is Quiet
“I lasted three days in China. Then I left. I couldn’t do it.”
He unpacks the emotional and ethical discomfort that made him walk away from his father’s factory—and the fear he had to face to forge his own path.
>>Lessons from the Streets of Malaysia
“My startup wasn’t sexy. It was survival.”
Chris shares how he built a cross-border e-commerce business using payment hacks, logistics hustle, and gut instinct—long before VC buzzwords existed.
>>Mentorship Over Money
“I didn’t inherit wealth. I inherited wisdom.”
Raised around entrepreneurs and sharp thinkers, Chris reflects on how informal mentoring—from car rides to restaurant napkins—shaped his business thinking.
>>Every Decade, Rediscover Yourself
“At every stage, I found a new part of me I didn’t know existed.”
Chris traces his 20-year journey through reinvention—from entrepreneur to advisor to VC—and why he believes identity isn’t found. It’s built, season by season.
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Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Christopher Quek
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
for Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,
Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.
12 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>140,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
#297 Gagan Sandhu: Redefining Wealth, Reinventing Work
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04/13/25 • 36 min
In this second half of his conversation, Gagan Sandhu pulls back the curtain on what it really means to design financial independence. It’s not about the FIRE movement or early retirement—it’s about knowing your trade-offs and making conscious, math-informed decisions that align with your values. From career reinvention every 10 years to balancing ambition with family time, Gagan offers Gen Xers a refreshingly grounded take on money, identity, and midlife work design.
>>Financial Independence Is a Design Decision
“I didn’t quit to escape. I quit because I could—on my own terms.”
Gagan redefines financial independence not as a finish line, but a framework for how to live, work, and choose with freedom.
>>It’s Not About the Number. It’s About the Math Behind Your Life
“I built a five-year runway—not a fantasy.”
He walks through how he calculated his freedom, X + Y + Z style: long-term retirement, short-term burn, and real-life expenses like college.
>>FIRE vs Philosophy
“Desires evolve. So does your definition of freedom.”
In a head-to-head with Vince, Gagan goes deep on the psychology of wealth—and why independence without self-awareness is just another trap.
>>Ageism or Skill Gap?
“Don’t blame age. Upgrade your playbook.”
Gagan reframes mid-career uncertainty not as an HR problem, but a personal pivot point—and makes a sharp case for reinvention every 10 years.
>>Teaching the Tool, Not the Trick
“You don’t need financial content. You need clarity.”
He explains how Zillion helps busy families and immigrants manage wealth like pros—not through advice, but through intuitive, data-backed modeling.
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Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Gagan Sandhu
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
for Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,
Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.
12 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>140,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
#296 Gagan Sandhu: Engineer Your Independence
Chief Change Officer
04/13/25 • 33 min
Gagan Sandhu didn’t chase freedom. He calculated it.
In this first of a two-part series, the Chicago Booth MBA, former tech exec, and founder of fintech startup Zillion shares how he redefined financial independence—moving beyond buzzwords and into practical action. From his immigrant roots to his pivot from mechanical engineering to Silicon Valley, Gagan shows how knowledge—not speed—builds real freedom.
Whether you’re Gen X or Gen Z, this conversation reframes wealth not as a finish line, but as a tool for designing the life you actually want.
>>From Engineering to Independence
“I didn’t change careers at 22—I did it at 30, with a kid on the way.”
Gagan shares how he shifted from mechanical engineering to tech—slowly, methodically, while balancing parenthood and late-night coding marathons.
>>Knowledge Is Currency
“Every leap I made came from learning, not luck.”
He reflects on why knowledge—not connections, not titles—has been the key success driver in his nonlinear, global career.
>>Financial Independence ≠ Retirement
“I didn’t stop working. I stopped relying on someone else to fund my time.”
Gagan breaks down the real math behind financial independence, and why it’s not about quitting your job—it’s about having options.
>>FIRE Without the Hype
“We turned it into a real-time calculator—so people can stop guessing and start acting.”
Gagan explains how his company Zillion helps users understand their path to independence through clean logic, custom inputs, and grounded assumptions.
>>Money, Math, and Meaning
“Independence isn’t a destination—it’s a design challenge.”
In a thoughtful back-and-forth with Vince, Gagan shares why financial planning must merge psychology, lifestyle design, and human behavior—not just numbers in a spreadsheet.
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Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Gagan Sandhu
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
for Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,
Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.
12 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>140,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
#228 John Gates: Sweaty Palms? How to Negotiate Your Salary Without the Panic
Chief Change Officer
03/13/25 • 43 min
If negotiating your salary makes you sweat more than a job interview, you’re not alone.
John Gates, author of ACT YOUR WAGE, knows how to turn those anxiety-fueled conversations into strategic wins. Forget the old-school advice about just “asking for more.” John explains why real salary talks aren’t about throwing out a number, but about controlling the conversation, shifting your mindset, and playing the long game.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
Coast-to-Coast Hustle: The Ups and Downs of Chasing the Corporate Dream
“During that process of chasing the Fortune 500 career and climbing that ladder, I moved across the country many times. I was laid off several times. I know how terrifying it is to be laid off or separated from a company that once loved you, but now no longer needs you."
From Prosecutor to Defense Attorney: Why Switching Sides Matters
“I do view myself as a former prosecutor who became a defense attorney. I think the best defense attorneys are people who used to be prosecutors because they understand the tactics and strategy and what the other prosecutor is trying to achieve.”
The Silver Bullet Effect: Practical Steps for Negotiation Success
“I start teaching them how to have safe conversations about pay almost immediately. So, very experimentally, I will teach them and drill them and rehearse with them first.”
Salary Negotiation 101: Gladiators Need Not Apply!
“Know your worth and demand your worth. People say, figure out what you’re worth, insist upon that... When I hear that, what I see is high risk. It’s confrontational. It makes it seem like you’re going to be this gladiator... This sort of ultimatum strategy of ‘take it or leave it’ is problematic.”
6 Rules For Successful Salary Negotiation:
1.Do not put “open” or “negotiable” in the salary requirement field — Always put a number.
2.Reframe your salary number into a range during the phone screen — It’s important to shift into a range rather than sticking to a fixed number.
3.Shift the conversation from salary to total compensation — This includes understanding incentives and bonuses beyond the base salary.
4.Use AI tools like ChatGPT to prepare for interviews — This helps generate potential questions and practice responses.
5.Use interview time to sell yourself instead of satisfying curiosity — Focus on addressing their pain points and demonstrating your value.
6.Avoid moving the goalposts during negotiation — Present everything you want in one batch rather than one at a time to prevent putting your offer at risk.
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Host: Vince Chan | Guest: John Gates
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--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
for Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,
Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.
10 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>130,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
for Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,
Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.
12 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>140,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
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How many episodes does Chief Change Officer have?
Chief Change Officer currently has 286 episodes available.
What topics does Chief Change Officer cover?
The podcast is about Career, Podcasts, Self-Improvement, Education, Business, Change Management, Careers and Career Change.
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What is the average episode length on Chief Change Officer?
The average episode length on Chief Change Officer is 31 minutes.
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Episodes of Chief Change Officer are typically released every 16 hours.
When was the first episode of Chief Change Officer?
The first episode of Chief Change Officer was released on Mar 8, 2024.
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