
Gleaming the KubeCon
11/30/23 • 124 min
This week we’re gleaming the KubeCon. Ok, some people say CubeCon, while others say KubeCon...we talk with Solomon Hykes about all things Dagger, Tammer Saleh and James McShane about going beyond cloud native with SuperOrbital, and Steve Francis and Spencer Smith about the state of Talos Linux and what they’re working on at Sidero Labs.
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Featuring:
- Solomon Hykes – GitHub, X
- Tammer Saleh – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, X
- James McShane – GitHub, X
- Steve Francis – GitHub, LinkedIn
- Spencer Smith – GitHub, LinkedIn
- Adam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
- Jerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
- Gerhard Lazu – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, X
Show Notes:
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!
This week we’re gleaming the KubeCon. Ok, some people say CubeCon, while others say KubeCon...we talk with Solomon Hykes about all things Dagger, Tammer Saleh and James McShane about going beyond cloud native with SuperOrbital, and Steve Francis and Spencer Smith about the state of Talos Linux and what they’re working on at Sidero Labs.
Changelog++ members save 12 minutes on this episode because they made the ads disappear. Join today!
Sponsors:
- Neon – The fully managed serverless Postgres with a generous free tier. We separate storage and compute to offer autoscaling, branching, and bottomless storage.
- .Tech Domains – They’re giving selected startups guest spots on the biggest podcasts, conferences, and billboards in the tech game. Apply at startups.tech/changelog
- Traceroute – Listen and follow Season 3 of Traceroute starting November 2 on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts!
- Fly.io – The home of Changelog.com — Deploy your apps and databases close to your users. In minutes you can run your Ruby, Go, Node, Deno, Python, or Elixir app (and databases!) all over the world. No ops required. Learn more at fly.io/changelog and check out the speedrun in their docs.
Featuring:
- Solomon Hykes – GitHub, X
- Tammer Saleh – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, X
- James McShane – GitHub, X
- Steve Francis – GitHub, LinkedIn
- Spencer Smith – GitHub, LinkedIn
- Adam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
- Jerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
- Gerhard Lazu – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, X
Show Notes:
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!
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- Traceroute – Listen and follow Season 3 of Traceroute starting November 2 on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts!
- Fly.io – The home of Changelog.com — Deploy your apps and databases close to your users. In minutes you can run your Ruby, Go, Node, Deno, Python, or Elixir app (and databases!) all over the world. No ops required. Learn more at fly.io/changelog and check out the speedrun in their docs.
Featuring:
- Emil Sjölander – GitHub, X
- Adam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
- Jerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
Show Notes:
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!
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Hare aims to be a 100 year language
This week on The Changelog we’re joined by Drew DeVault, talking about the Hare programming language. From the website, Hare is a systems programming language designed to be simple, stable, and robust. When we asked Drew why he created it, he said “[because] I wanted it to exist, and it did not exist.” Wise words.
We discuss Hare (of course), why he’s so passionate about all things open source, the state of the language, fostering a culture that values stability, and oddly enough — what it takes to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.
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- Neon – The fully managed serverless Postgres with a generous free tier. We separate storage and compute to offer autoscaling, branching, and bottomless storage.
- Sentry – On Thursday, December 14th Sentry is doing a FREE web browser performance webinar. Sign up and bring your questions! There will be a Q&A at the end of the stream. ✌️
- .Tech Domains – They’re giving selected startups guest spots on the biggest podcasts, conferences, and billboards in the tech game. Apply at startups.tech/changelog
- Fly.io – The home of Changelog.com — Deploy your apps and databases close to your users. In minutes you can run your Ruby, Go, Node, Deno, Python, or Elixir app (and databases!) all over the world. No ops required. Learn more at fly.io/changelog and check out the speedrun in their docs.
Featuring:
- Drew DeVault – Website, Mastodon
- Adam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
- Jerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
Show Notes:
- sourcehut - the hacker’s forge!
- Drew on SourceHut
- The Hare programming language
- Himitsu
- SourceHut’s 2022 Financial report
- Can I be on your podcast
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!
Changelog Interviews - Gleaming the KubeCon
Transcript
We are at KubeCon Cloud Native Con in Chicago, and this is our first ever in-person interview, with all three of us: Adam, Jerod, myself...
Jerod Santo:Yes...
Gerhard Lazu:...and our guest, Solomon.
Solomon Hykes:Hello. Really, the first time?
Jerod Santo:Yes, it is.
Gerhard Lazu:In-person, all three of us, first time eve
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