Changelog Interviews - Building the developer cloud

Building the developer cloud

12/12/24 • 95 min

Kurt Mackey is back for a deep dive into what it takes to build the developer cloud. Kurt joins Adam to discuss the alliance between companies and cloud, something Kurt refers to as the “Rebel Alliance,” cloud complexity vs usability, Fly’s future with Postgres and why they’ve waited, thoughts on Neon and Supabase (Kurt shares a hot take), and our CDN saga and plan to build a simple CDN on Fly called Pipely (still a Pipedream).

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Kurt Mackey – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, X
Adam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X

Show Notes:

Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

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Sentry – When your app breaks, fix it faster with Sentry Use the code CHANGELOG when you sign up to get $100 off the team plan. Learn more about what they shipped for Launch Week and Session Replay for Mobile.
Coder.com – Instantly launch fully configured cloud development environments (CDE) and make your first commit in minutes. No need to traverse README files or await onboarding queues. Learn more at Coder.com
Eight Sleep – Up to $600 off Pod 4 Ultra — Go to eightsleep.com/changelog and use the code CHANGELOG. You can try it for free for 30 days - but we’re confident you will not want to return it (we love ours). Once you experience AI-optimized sleep, you’ll wonder how you ever slept without it. Currently shipping to: United States, Canada, United Kingdom, Europe, and Australia.
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Featuring:

Kurt Mackey – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, X
Adam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X

Show Notes:

Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

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Show Notes:

Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

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Featuring:

Mitchell Hashimoto – Website, GitHub, X
Adam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
Jerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X

Show Notes:

First episode with Mitchell Hashimoto! Changelog Interviews #72: Vagrant and virtualized environments
Ghostty 1.0 is Coming and more at Ghostty 👻.
Zig - Zig is a general-purpose programming language and toolchain for maintaining robust, optimal and reusable software.
Warp
Changelog & Friends #53: There’s a TUI for that
Changelog Interviews #511: The terminal as a platform
Changelog Interviews #555: Back to the terminal of the future
Michael Flarup runs Pixel Resort and created the Ghostty icon

Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Changelog Interviews - Building the developer cloud

Transcript

Transcript for Changelog Interviews #621 Adam Stacoviak:

Well, Kurt, are you cool with just pretty much anything? You can tell me when there's limits, too. Like, we do edit. So if we're going down a road that's like two TMI...

Kurt Mackey:

It's like, almost all the things I'm working on now are at risk of like pissing someone off. It's actually kind of funny... It's the downside to trying to decide who gets money and who doesn't.

Adam Stacoviak: