Build software that lasts!
02/05/25 • 87 min
After 30+ years in the software industry, Bert Hubert has experienced a lot. He founded PowerDNS, published articles for places like IETF / IEEE, and built his own parliament monitoring system. That just scratches the surface.
Recently, Bert wrote about what it takes to build software for the long term. Let’s dig in.
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Featuring:
- Bert Hubert – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
- Adam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
- Jerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
Show Notes:
- Shifting Cyber Norms: Microsoft security POST-ing to you
- On Long Term Software Development
- Life Long Learning: Dealing With New Things
- Lawmakers use haka to protest in New Zealand’s parliament
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!
After 30+ years in the software industry, Bert Hubert has experienced a lot. He founded PowerDNS, published articles for places like IETF / IEEE, and built his own parliament monitoring system. That just scratches the surface.
Recently, Bert wrote about what it takes to build software for the long term. Let’s dig in.
Changelog++ members get a bonus 10 minutes at the end of this episode and zero ads. Join today!
Sponsors:
- Retool – The low-code platform for developers to build internal tools — Some of the best teams out there trust Retool...Brex, Coinbase, Plaid, Doordash, LegalGenius, Amazon, Allbirds, Peloton, and so many more – the developers at these teams trust Retool as the platform to build their internal tools. Try it free at retool.com/changelog
- Temporal – Build invincible applications. Manage failures, network outages, flaky endpoints, long-running processes and more, ensuring your workflows never fail. Register for Replay in London, March 3-5 to break free from the status quo.
- DeleteMe – Text CHANGELOG to 64000 to join DeleteMe. They make it quick, easy, and safe to remove your personal data online.
Featuring:
- Bert Hubert – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
- Adam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
- Jerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
Show Notes:
- Shifting Cyber Norms: Microsoft security POST-ing to you
- On Long Term Software Development
- Life Long Learning: Dealing With New Things
- Lawmakers use haka to protest in New Zealand’s parliament
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!
Previous Episode
Turso is rewriting SQLite in Rust
Glauber Costa, co-founder and CEO of Turso, joins us to discuss libSQL, Limbo, and how they’re rewriting SQLite in Rust. We discuss their efforts with libSQL, the challenge of SQLite being in the public domain but not being open for contribution, their choice to rewrite everything with Limbo, how this all plays into the future of the Turso platform, how they test Limbo with Deterministic Simulation Testing (DST), and their plan to replace SQLite.
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- Temporal – Build invincible applications. Manage failures, network outages, flaky endpoints, long-running processes and more, ensuring your workflows never fail. Register for Replay in London, March 3-5 to break free from the status quo.
- Notion – Notion is a place where any team can write, plan, organize, and rediscover the joy of play. It’s a workspace designed not just for making progress, but getting inspired. Notion is for everyone — whether you’re a Fortune 500 company or freelance designer, starting a new startup or a student juggling classes and clubs.
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Featuring:
- Glauber Costa – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, X
- Adam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
- Jerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
Show Notes:
- Introducing Limbo: A Complete Rewrite of SQLite in Rust
- Limbo on GitHub
- Antithesis
- SQLite Copyright
- Upcoming Changes to the Turso Platform and Roadmap
- My Story by pthorpe92.dev
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Fostering open source culture
Arun Gupta is back, this time with his latest book in hand titled “Fostering Open Source Culture” to share his wisdom and experiences of fostering open source culture. BTW you can use the code OSCULTURE20 to get 20% off (both print and e-book). Use this link and enjoy.
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- Fly.io – The home of Changelog.com — Deploy your apps close to your users — global Anycast load-balancing, zero-configuration private networking, hardware isolation, and instant WireGuard VPN connections. Push-button deployments that scale to thousands of instances. Check out the speedrun to get started in minutes.
Featuring:
- Arun Gupta – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, X
- Adam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
- Jerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
Show Notes:
- Book announcement
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Changelog Interviews - Build software that lasts!
Transcript
We are here with Bert Hubert, a geeky entrepreneur from the Netherlands, with a 30-year track record in commercial and open source software. Bert, welcome to The Changelog.
Bert Hubert:Yeah, thank you for having me.
Jerod Santo:Happy to have you. Excited to talk about what you're up to these days and what you've been up to historically. 30 years - that's a long time. I read that you l
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