136: From Sound to Subculture
11/02/22 • 306 min
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How can goth be consistently distinctive when it’s so musically diverse? If goth is all about the music, how does that transform a group of people into a community based subculture? How do social spaces give rise to meaningful cultural substance? Can industrial, gothic metal and more be considered goth music? We’ll look at these questions and more in our extensive discussion of the book ‘Goth Music: From Sound to Subculture’. We feature brand new music on All Goth Considered from Obscura Undead!
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Introduction 00:00
Goth is Organized Around Music 5:43
What the Hell is Goth Music 10:05
Quantifying Goth Music 51:22
Glocal 1:09:00
Actor Network Theory 1:24:10
SMASL 1:137:17
Hauntology 1:45:56
Sticky Nodes 1:54:00
Chronotopes 2:18:46
Lacan and Transcending Death 2:55:21
Semiotic Significance 3:20:40
Agential Realism and Social Chronotopes 3:25:32
Praxis 3:31:13
Ironic Imagination 3:37:08
Closing Thoughts 3:53:21
All Goth Considered 4:45:37
References: -What is Goth -On Interobjectivity -Sol Invictus -Ted Schatzki -Lacan -Lacan -Profilicity -Literary Chronotope -What is Goth Music -Goth, Genre, Subgenre or Style -Hauntology -Hyperdiegesis -Lacan's Real -Intra-action -Interview with Barad -The Living the Dead and the Immanent -Intermediaries, mediators and proximities -Socio-Material Approaches to ANT -Peeren on Cultural Analysis -The Practice Turn in Contemporary Theory -The Music of the Goth Subculture: Postmodernism and Aesthetics -Social Phenomena via a Theory of Embodied Practice -Performativity
How can goth be consistently distinctive when it’s so musically diverse? If goth is all about the music, how does that transform a group of people into a community based subculture? How do social spaces give rise to meaningful cultural substance? Can industrial, gothic metal and more be considered goth music? We’ll look at these questions and more in our extensive discussion of the book ‘Goth Music: From Sound to Subculture’. We feature brand new music on All Goth Considered from Obscura Undead!
To support the show please head over to our Patreon!
Introduction 00:00
Goth is Organized Around Music 5:43
What the Hell is Goth Music 10:05
Quantifying Goth Music 51:22
Glocal 1:09:00
Actor Network Theory 1:24:10
SMASL 1:137:17
Hauntology 1:45:56
Sticky Nodes 1:54:00
Chronotopes 2:18:46
Lacan and Transcending Death 2:55:21
Semiotic Significance 3:20:40
Agential Realism and Social Chronotopes 3:25:32
Praxis 3:31:13
Ironic Imagination 3:37:08
Closing Thoughts 3:53:21
All Goth Considered 4:45:37
References: -What is Goth -On Interobjectivity -Sol Invictus -Ted Schatzki -Lacan -Lacan -Profilicity -Literary Chronotope -What is Goth Music -Goth, Genre, Subgenre or Style -Hauntology -Hyperdiegesis -Lacan's Real -Intra-action -Interview with Barad -The Living the Dead and the Immanent -Intermediaries, mediators and proximities -Socio-Material Approaches to ANT -Peeren on Cultural Analysis -The Practice Turn in Contemporary Theory -The Music of the Goth Subculture: Postmodernism and Aesthetics -Social Phenomena via a Theory of Embodied Practice -Performativity
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135: Talking Death
On this episode we speak with Mandy of Keeper and TalkDeath about death technology, dealing with nihilism, what legacy means to us and how meditation on death puts into focus what’s important in our lives. We also have All Goth Considered from Obscura Undead, Sinister Suggestions and more!
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Philosophers on Death 00:00
Mandy on Subculture 6:25
Mandy’s Death Work 11:45
Engaging with Death 19:00
Does Legacy Matter 28:10
Death Technology 40:30
Nihilism and Anxiety 55:10
When Friends are Mourning 1:06:20
End of Life 1:12:55
Meditating on Death 1:24:20
All Goth Considered 1:30:10
Sinister Suggestions 1:51:40
References: -Night Witches -Bad Crush
Sinister Suggestions: -Temple Solar -Parking Dance - Gloom Parasite -Herzparisit - Alphatier 2.0 -Last Grasp - Kiss the Crucifix -Double Eyelid - Leaving These Stones Unturned -Midnight Passage - Sleepwalker -The Blood Pact - Eternal II -Silence Embrace - Meta Queer Dolies -Dunkelwald - Waldrauch -Glasshouse -Pilgrims of Yearning - Hadal -Sectarian Bloom - New Spring
Previous Death Episodes: -On the Fear of Death -Caitlin Doughty's Hero Project -Death Positive: Of Deep and Liquid Rest -Cemetery Expert Loren Rhoads
Next Episode
137: The Gothquisition (6)
They hate us because they ain’t us. The sneering elite return to set the internet straight. Prepare your bathole The Gothquisition is back to rip the poseurs again!
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Introduction
Song Break: I’m More Goth than You
Debate: Is the Cure a Goth Band
Song Break: Goth
GothQUIZition
Song Break: Drunk, Stupid and Goth
Elitists of the past
Song Break: Gothic Yard Sale
Note: We will be taking our yearly hiatus in January so there will be no episode. Patreon members will be invited to a video hangout via zoom that month.
Redaction: A previous version of this episode mentioned rebuilding the goth scene 'post-pandemic'. This was in reference to music venues reopening with new health guidelines such as masking and mandating vaccines. However proper context was not provided and the statement could have been misconstrued. As there is a lot of COVID misinformation out there which downplays the serious, deadly nature of the virus that disproportionately impacts marginalized communities, this portion has been removed to avoid inadvertently condoning behavior that puts the health and wellbeing of our community at risk.
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