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LVMH: The Wolf in Cashmere’s Conglomerate - [Business Breakdowns, EP. 68]
Business Breakdowns
08/03/22 • 53 min
This is Zack Fuss, an investor at Irenic Capital Management. Today we’re breaking down the world’s largest luxury business, LVMH. The LVMH story is deeply reflective of the vision of its 73 year-old founder and architect, Bernard Arnault. Today, the business generates €75 billion in sales across its 75 brands and 3 sector focuses. With a market cap of €350 billion, LVMH is not only the largest luxury business in the world but one of the largest businesses in the entire world.
To break down LVMH, I’m joined by Christian Billinger, the chairman of Billinger Förvaltnings. We discuss the paradox between scarcity and scale in the luxury industry, analyze some of the company’s high profile acquisitions, and delve into the history of this conglomerate’s famous founder. Please enjoy this breakdown of LVMH.
For the full show notes, transcript, and links to the best content to learn more, check out the episode page here.
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Show Notes
[00:03:30] - [First question] - How LVMH came to be and Bernard Arnault’s history
[00:08:56] - Spread of revenue and margins across their various brands
[00:13:38] - What it is about their business that has allowed them to achieve such tremendous scale given the scarcity of luxury goods
[00:16:06] - Examples of Arnault reinvesting in the business for the long-term
[00:17:04] - Ways all of their brands and different verticals work together to create value
[00:18:56] - What the general view on success is after Arnault steps down
[00:21:19] - Key factors that allow luxury houses to enjoy handsome returns on capital historically
[00:23:17] - What he’s noticed about luxury brands and their ability to redeploy capital
[00:26:25] - How their capital allocation strategy manifests in their financial profile
[00:28:24] - The Arnault family’s control over LVMH
[00:31:48] - The evolution of the industry in Europe and the strong getting stronger
[00:33:58] - Cultural differences internationally that allow some countries to thrive in luxury brands compared to others like the US
[00:36:17] - Thoughts on the influence of the Chinese consumer on European luxury houses
[00:40:30] - What has characterized their M&A strategy historically
[00:44:08] - Overview of their recent acquisitions and what it means for LVMH going forward
[00:47:46] - Their go-to-market strategy to acquire customers and build the brand
[00:48:11] - Some of LVMH’s vulnerabilities and risks
[00:50:44] - Key takeaways for investors and operators when studying LVMH’s story
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11/17/21 • 61 min
I’m Jesse Pujji and this is Business Breakdowns. Today we are doing a different kind of breakdown. We are covering an entire category, Amazon Aggregators. These are the companies that are buying up hundreds of Amazon’s third-party sellers. The concept of Amazon Aggregators is relatively new, tracing back to 2018 with the founding of Thrasio, but the ecosystem is already huge and growing. Most recent numbers peg it at around $300bn dollars in revenue and growing faster than Amazon itself. These aggregators have unique moats and high-quality entrepreneurs.
To help break down the marketplace and business of acquiring Amazon storefronts, I’m joined by Ali Hamed, a partner of CoVenture, who is also a popular guest on Invest Like the Best. In our conversation, we discuss the three superpowers Amazon sellers have, why there’s only $8bn in funding for a market doing $50bn in EBITDA, and we go into detail on how Amazon Aggregators are structured and operate. Please enjoy this unique breakdown on Amazon Aggregators.
For the full show notes, transcript, and links to the best content to learn more, check out the episode page here.
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Show Notes
[00:03:23] - [First question] - What is an Amazon aggregator, and who sells through Amazon?
[00:05:26] - The scale and size of the aggregator market in general
[00:06:43] - The history of third-party sellers and the utility they offer Amazon
[00:08:20] - When they started inviting third parties to join their network and their market share
[00:09:47] - Amazon’s 40% take-rate and overview of the economic structure
[00:10:24] - How many individual storefronts exist and what they look like
[00:13:19] - Who is starting Amazon stores and an overview of a seller writ large
[00:14:43] - The initial insight that led to incorporating third-party aggregators
[00:21:17] - How many aggregators exist in the space today
[00:24:41] - Why vertical integration isn’t such a primary focus for aggregators
[00:26:53] - Ways aggregators find businesses and how they tend to acquire them
[00:31:29] - What the top 10 aggregators look like and their acquisition frequency
[00:32:25] - The common value add aggregators deliver post-acquisition
[00:36:47] - Deal pipelines and other sales and marketing functions
[00:40:22] - Interesting things in the space given how unique of a marketplace it is
[00:43:57] - New innovations and secondary ecosystems emerging as a result of aggregators
[00:45:13] - How an aggregator should think about Amazon and risks to their business
[00:48:29] - Why Amazon won’t use their data and customer ownership to own the market
[00:50:10] - Macro and system risks that would threaten the success of this business model
[00:52:35] - What keeps Amazon up at night and potential worries about aggregators
[00:53:54] - Reasons why they would pass on an acquisition opportunity
[00:55:32] - Contributing factors to explosive growth that exceeded expectations
[00:58:10] - Biggest takeaways for builders and investors from 3rd party aggregators
[01:01:04] - Where to learn more about Amazon’s third-party aggregators
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Blackstone: Beyond Buyouts - [Business Breakdowns, EP. 20]
Business Breakdowns
08/04/21 • 43 min
Today, we will be diving into Blackstone, the world’s largest alternative asset manager. Founded in 1985 as a boutique M&A advisory business with $400,000 of seed capital. The firm now manages over $600 billion across private equity, real estate, credit, and hedge fund strategies. In this breakdown, we will start by discussing Blackstone’s business model and how it has taken advantage of a structural tailwind in the form of low bond yields. Then, we’ll dive into the different ways Blackstone earns money, how that’s changing, and what else management has done to make the business more shareholder-friendly. Finally, we’ll cover Blackstone’s competitive strengths, their brand and scale explaining how they were built and how they’re deployed today.
To break down Blackstone, Zack Fuss is joined by Marc Rubinstein, former hedge fund manager and now the writer of Net Interest.
For the full show notes, transcript, and links to the best content to learn more, check out the episode page here.
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Show Notes
[00:02:35] - [First question] - What is Blackstone, their history, and what their scale is today
[00:04:29] - Their core competencies in the beginning and what it enabled them to do
[00:05:57] - Examples of their early transactions that allowed them to grow their funds
[00:07:39] - Overview of the first principles of how private equity funds make money
[00:09:49] - What has allowed Blackstone to grow so large over the last thirty-five years
[00:12:30] - Things that make alternative asset management a large and lucrative industry
[00:14:28] - Overview of revenue streams and returns to shareholders
[00:17:30] - Analysis of their corporate private equity, real estate, hedge funds, and credit
[00:21:00] - Why alternative asset managers have been so attracted to insurance companies
[00:22:40] - Partners Blackstone might find for funding and financing
[00:24:44] - Reasons why Blackstone would consider an IPO
[00:26:15] - How an investor would evaluate Blackstone versus Berkshire Hathaway
[00:29:17] - Ways Blackstone dispels the ‘barbarians at the gate’ stigma around private equity
[00:31:12] - The importance of Steve Schwarzman and thoughts on new leadership
[00:33:31] - Building a company culture in asset management that creates longevity
[00:35:42] - What makes Blackstone so successful writ large
[00:37:54] - Emergence of neo-banks and potential threats of regulation and oversight
[00:39:05] - The one thing that allows them to always find new opportunities and succeed
[00:41:03] - Lessons for investors when studying Blackstone’s story
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Trader Joe’s: Grocer to the Overeducated and Underpaid - [Business Breakdowns, EP. 76]
Business Breakdowns
09/28/22 • 50 min
This is Zack Fuss, an investor at Irenic Capital and today we are breaking down Trader Joe’s. Trader Joe’s is not a typical grocery chain. Their stores offer less choice, very few brands, constantly changing product lines, and no online option. Yet, they are adored and highly profitable. Their NPS score is industry leading and from what we can tell, despite offering lower prices, they generate more revenue per square foot than any dedicated grocery in the market.
To break down Trader Joe’s, I’m joined by Cristina Berta Jones, a long-time ecommerce and grocery investor who is now building an online supermarket business called Picnic. Together, we unpack the elements that have made this private grocery chain so successful for such a long period of time. Please enjoy this business breakdown of Trader Joe’s.
For the full show notes, transcript, and links to the best content to learn more, check out the episode page here.
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Show Notes
[00:03:16] - [First question] - Comparing and contrasting Trader Joe’s to conventional grocery stores and supermarkets [00:06:05] - Where Trade Joe’s fits into the food retail market and their size and scale
[00:09:36] - The different sections of a store layout and what it feels like to shop there
[00:11:47] - How many stores there are and how that compares to other large scale food retailers
[00:13:17] - Some of the most interesting parts of the history of Trader Joe’s
[00:15:15] - How Joe applied his market observations to building the company
[00:21:12] - The evolution and success of Trader Joe’s private label brand
[00:24:31] - Differences between US and European grocery markets and overview of what a hard discounter is
[00:28:25] - Unique and different strategies on slotting fees and trade spend
[00:31:23] - Reinvesting their overhead savings to offer lower prices to their customers
[00:33:04] - Success despite not being a store where one does a full basket shop
[00:34:08] - The way that the pandemic and delivery services impact grocery stores
[00:37:17] - The crossroads many grocers face between physical and online stores
[00:41:43] - What makes Trader Joe’s defensible
[00:44:51] - Trader Joe’s approach to shrinkage and having better margins than their peers
[00:47:05] - Self-distribution and what separates them from their competitors
[00:48:30] - Lessons for builders and investors from Trader Joe’s story
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SmileDirectClub: Closing the Gap with Affordability - [Business Breakdowns, EP. 22]
Business Breakdowns
08/18/21 • 48 min
Today, we will be breaking down SmileDirectClub, the oral care company known for its affordable clear aligner treatment. SmileDirectClub was founded in 2014 as a direct-to-consumer alternative to metal braces. It has since expanded to serve over 1 million customers in both the US and abroad.
To help break down the business, host Jesse Pujji is joined by current CFO Kyle Wailes.
In this breakdown, we discuss how SmileDirectClub differentiates itself relative to metal braces and clear aligner competitors like Invisalign. We touch on the company’s DTC roots, how they have expanded TAM in the oral care market, and what growth opportunities the business plans to pursue moving forward.
I’d highly recommend pairing this episode with our previous breakdown on Invisalign. It’s fun to contrast the two business models and their respective histories. There are so many fascinating details about the clear aligner industry.
I hope you enjoy this breakdown of SmileDirectClub.
For the full show notes, transcript, and links to the best content to learn more, check out the episode page here.
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Show Notes
[00:02:38] - [First question] - What is SmileDirectClub and their current scale
[00:03:56] - Their economics and revenue over the past year
[00:04:59] - What SmileDirectClub is from a consumer perspective
[00:07:19] - The core insight that lead to founding the company
[00:08:55] - Early bets that paid off in the long run as they scaled
[00:10:00] - Differences between clear liners and traditional braces
[00:11:28] - Market size and cases that need servicing annually
[00:13:21] - Invisalign; Direct to consumer model and unit economics
[00:15:57] - Customer acquisition funnel and diversified marketing approach
[00:20:17] - How shops became the major form of how they provide treatment
[00:24:02] - Navigating the pandemic and reflections on 2020
[00:26:25] - Lessons learned and value unlock from a monthly subscription model
[00:28:44] - Thoughts on the market size today and opportunity for the future
[00:29:47] - Prioritizing international sales and market penetration
[00:30:39] - Lessons learned from executing in international markets
[00:31:42] - Competitors in this space and their vantage points
[00:33:29] - How SmileDirect competes with Invisalign
[00:34:55] - Their prior history with Invisalign and being an early investor
[00:35:46] - How the market may play out in the next five to ten years
[00:37:07] - What SmileDirect will have to get right to win over the next decade
[00:40:10] - Why metallic solutions and braces have survived this long
[00:42:44] - Their biggest risks over the coming decade that may threaten their growth
[00:43:42] - Navigating legal risks and challenges faced with SmileDirect’s disruptive nature
[00:45:39] - Lessons for builders when studying SmileDirect’s story
[00:46:31] - Lessons for investors when studying SmileDirect’s story
[00:47:07] - Resources for learning more; smiledirectclub.com
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Wyndham Hotels: Loyalty Matters - [Business Breakdowns, EP. 24]
Business Breakdowns
09/01/21 • 56 min
Today, we will break down Wyndham Hotels, the world’s largest and most diverse hotel franchisor with more than 9,000 hotels across 20 brands in over 80 countries.
Wyndham is a brilliant example of a ubiquitous business that often goes unnoticed. In this breakdown, we’ll start by looking at just how vast Wyndham’s portfolio of hotels and brands is, how the Highway Act of 1956 played an important role in developing that scale, and explore the economics of hotel ownership, both from the franchisee and franchisor’s perspective.
Then we’ll dive into Wyndham’s growth algorithm, the factors that make the business resilient to external shocks, and the ways in which green programs are helping to drive higher cash-on-cash returns for franchisees.
To help break down Wyndham Hotels, host Patrick O’Shaughnessy is joined by Lauren Taylor Wolfe, co-founder and Managing Partner of Impactive Capital and a Wyndham shareholder.
For the full show notes, transcript, and links to the best content to learn more, check out the episode page here.
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Show Notes
[00:02:48] - [First question] - What Wyndham is and the scope of their hotel franchise
[00:04:17] - Defining what select-service hotels are compared to traditional ones
[00:04:49] - An overview of what the hotel business is and their important levers
[00:06:44] - Why Wyndham’s business model is so advantageous
[00:09:22] - Franchisee expectations and the pros of franchising the brand
[00:12:22] - Whether or not Wyndham participates in loan and debt generation
[00:13:36] - Overview of their award-winning loyalty program
[00:17:36] - Customer acquisition for their loyalty program and how it drives spending
[00:19:16] - Wyndham’s corporate history and how it affects them today
[00:22:17] - Driving growth beyond their current real-estate footprint
[00:24:30] - Possible positive or negative nonlinear events that could affect them
[00:26:09] - Overview of the sales functions inside of their business
[00:28:05] - Changes in hotel use trends as of late
[00:30:05] - What hotel management means as a business
[00:33:05] - Capital allocation and abundant free cash flow without much need for it
[00:35:48] - Considering the ESG implications when evaluating the hotel industry
[00:38:17] - Aspects of the business that make it both resilient and competitive
[00:42:14] - Big variables that could cause Wyndham to fail
[00:44:10] - What it is about Wyndham’s economic opportunity that is favorable for franchisees
[00:46:19] - Unit economics and expenses at the individual hotel level
[00:47:40] - Lessons learned about brand, investing in a brand, and identifying new brands to acquire
[00:50:22] - What she’s learned most as an investor working with Wyndham
[00:52:19] - Attractive opportunities Hilton could offer that Wyndham couldn’t
[00:53:46] - What she’s learned about being a strong operator while working at Wyndham
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HelloFresh: Delivering on Process Power - [Business Breakdowns, EP. 34]
Business Breakdowns
11/10/21 • 62 min
Today, we’re breaking down HelloFresh. HelloFresh delivers weekly meal kits to people’s homes. With eight million active customers, the Berlin-based business is the most popular company of its kind in the world.
To break down HelloFresh, I’m joined by its CEO and co-founder, Dominik Richter. We discuss the challenges of scaling an operationally intensive business, why HelloFresh is more like CPG companies than grocery stores, and what he’s learned about brand building.
Meal-kits are a notoriously difficult business model to get right and this is a great example of process power; a competitive advantage you don’t come across often. Please enjoy this great breakdown of HelloFresh.
For the full show notes, transcript, and links to the best content to learn more, check out the episode page here.
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Show Notes
[00:04:07] - [First question] - What HelloFresh does for its customers
[00:05:53] - How many meals are delivered a year and the scale of the business today
[00:07:08] - The full customer experience of ordering a meal kit for the week
[00:08:03] - What the original service was and the original version of their product
[00:10:26] - Overview of the business from a P&L standpoint
[00:14:09] - Their centralized and widespread manufacturing plants
[00:16:35] - Attributes of a good recipe that benefits both the customers and the business
[00:18:32] - Thoughts on the cost of ingredients and how they impact everything
[00:20:43] - How the HelloFresh supply chain differs from traditional ones
[00:23:58] - The magnitude of waste and its impact on gross margins
[00:27:38] - Identifying customers, acquiring them, and retaining them
[00:30:52] - Why other meal kit companies have seemingly done poorly
[00:35:53] - Differences in the customer experience of HelloFresh subscribers that allowed them to thrive
[00:38:38] - Managing a business that’s dependent on process power and balancing which levers to pull and when
[00:41:24] - An example of a decision made to improve tiny percentages of performance
[00:44:17] - How a world returning to normal might impact their pandemic propelled growth
[00:47:22] - Thoughts on potentially expanding to private supply and distribution
[00:50:23] - Lessons learned about successful advertising, branding, and marketing
[00:52:41] - Key variables in HelloFresh’s growth for the coming years
[00:57:10] - What drives the decision to acquire and build a portfolio of brands
[01:00:01] - The biggest risks that the business might face in the future
[01:02:27] - What his favorite meal is from their menu and why
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Adyen: A First Principles Payment Platform - [Business Breakdowns, EP. 50]
Business Breakdowns
03/09/22 • 58 min
This is Zack Fuss and today we’re breaking down European-based payment business, Adyen. Adyen was founded in Amsterdam in 2006 by a group of payments entrepreneurs who had already built and sold a business in this space. Adyen was their chance to start afresh and build a modern solution to displace the patchwork legacy system that merchants were being forced to use.
To break down the business, I’m joined by Michael Willar, a portfolio manager at Stenham Asset Management. Our discussion covers Adyen’s single platform solution in detail, the driving force behind their track record of profitable growth, and why payments isn’t a winner take all market. Please enjoy this breakdown of Adyen.
For the full show notes, transcript, and links to the best content to learn more, check out the episode page here.
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Show Notes
[00:02:55] - [First question] What Adyen is and what they do
[00:05:54] - General overview of how payment processing works
[00:07:29] - Flow of a transaction and how they manifest
[00:09:52] - How the business generates revenue and their revenue model
[00:11:25] - Where Adyen sits in the industry and the size of it today
[00:13:37] - The reality of processing 50-60% of their addressable market
[00:16:19] - What about their culture and founding story makes them so nimble
[00:21:18] - The competitive strengths of the business and their innovative solutions
[00:24:07] - Key revenue drivers for Adyen
[00:26:01] - What is it about Adyen’s business structure that enables them to grow so rapidly while still being profitable
[00:29:34] - Key growth drivers
[00:32:44] - What gives Adyen its competitive advantage over other payment providers
[00:35:56] - Having one platform is beneficial but why isn’t it a more popular approach?
[00:37:42] - The secret sauce behind their successful growth trajectory
[00:39:25] - The essence of Adyen’s culture and how it manifests in their day-to-day work
[00:42:04] - What Adyen plans to do with all of the cash they produce
[00:43:35] - What keeps him up at night and potential threats to the business
[00:47:54] - Is there a chance anyone could build a platform comparable to Adyen?
[00:50:06] - Key differences between Stripe and Adyen
[00:56:23] - Lessons learned from studying Adyen and what payment service builders can learn from them
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Petco: Capturing the Pet Economy - [Business Breakdowns, EP. 18]
Business Breakdowns
07/21/21 • 39 min
Today, we will be breaking down pet care giant, Petco. Founded in 1965 as a mail-order business, Petco has evolved into a one-stop-shop pet care solution across its nearly 1,500 locations.
To help break down Petco, I am joined by Greg Kamstra, current CEO of pet care provider, Riverdog and former private equity investor. We will discuss how Petco evolved into its current big-box model, how pet care store economics differ from grocery economics, and what impact e-commerce has had on the industry. It’s always fascinating to learn about secular growth stories, and the pet care industry falls into that category. I hope you enjoy this breakdown of Petco.
For the full show notes, transcript, and links to the best content to learn more, check out the episode page here.
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Show Notes
[00:02:19] - [First question] - What is Petco?
[00:03:06] - How much of their business is solely eCommerce
[00:03:40] - The scale of the market today and what that space looks like
[00:05:24] - Pet ownership in the US and how much it’s grown over the decades
[00:06:28] - The spend-per-pet metric and how it continues to grow
[00:06:49] - Sales channels for Petco and the big players in this industry
[00:07:31] - When and how Petco started and unique insights that led to starting the business
[00:09:09] - Unit economics for specialty brands versus generic brands
[00:09:42] - General thoughts on the economics of Petco
[00:11:03] - Viewing their revenue and customer base through the lens of a single-store
[00:13:15] - How they drive same-store sales growth and customer frequency
[00:16:22] - The ways they’ve invested in services to incentivize return customers
[00:18:13] - Conventional retail strategies and how they’ve performed for Petco
[00:20:42] - Ways they are trying to compete with their eCommerce competitors
[00:23:50] - What their eCommerce growth could look like over the next few years
[00:25:20] - Early days of a mobile app and working on their digital-first footprint
[00:26:18] - How good of a deal Chewy was for Petsmart
[00:27:48] - Other big deals Petco has made and why they’ve mattered
[00:28:52] - Unique private equity aspects of Petco
[00:31:07] - What happened to their business during the pandemic and what trends might be here to stay
[00:32:03] - How many non-pet owners became pet owners because of COVID-19
[00:33:11] - Reasons why their market cap could double in the next five to ten years
[00:34:19] - Reasons why their market cap could be cut in half over the coming years
[00:35:10] - Lessons for builders when studying Petco’s story
[00:37:14] - Lessons for investors when studying Petco’s story
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Facebook: The Trillion Dollar Listing - [Business Breakdowns, EP. 15]
Business Breakdowns
06/30/21 • 73 min
Today, we will be diving into Facebook. A business that requires little introduction, Facebook was launched in 2004 from Marc Zuckerberg’s Harvard dorm room. Zuckerberg has since grown Facebook into the largest social network in the world and continues to operate the business today. To break down Facebook, I am first joined by Robert Cantwell, founder and CIO of Upholdings. Rob’s unique background makes him an ideal person to speak on Facebook. Rob shared a dorm with Zuckerberg, went on to work at Elevation Partners, a large private investor in Facebook, and eventually became CFO of Everlane, where expansion was closely tied to the growth of Instagram and its advertising tools. We touch on how Facebook successfully navigated the transition from desktop to mobile, what drives the value of the network, and where Facebook may drive value in the future.
I am then joined by Jesse Pujji, a familiar voice as a host of Business Breakdowns. Jesse’s time as co-founder and CEO at Ampush make him ideal to break down the advertising business of Facebook. During our conversation, Jesse outlines the basic dynamics of the Facebook ad ecosystem, the economic proposition to an advertiser, and how to assess risks to Facebook's control of the digital ad market.
Facebook is such an interesting business, and we could likely speak for hours on the potential opportunities for growth. We decided to focus on the core advertising business today, given it represents 98% of revenue. In the future, we want to dedicate individual Breakdowns to WhatsApp, Oculus, and potentially other Facebook initiatives that are worthy of their own deep dives alone. I hope you enjoy this conversation on Facebook.
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Part 1
[00:03:20] - [First question] The size and scale of Facebook and how we interact with it
[00:04:59] - The best way to describe what their true core business is
[00:07:21] - Observing Facebook’s growth as an operator and how it impacts his view of it
[00:10:46] - The ad model that they offered that wasn’t historically available before
[00:12:49] - Competitive advantages they have today that makes theory moat impenetrable
[00:15:44] - Potential impacts of the decentralization of the internet
[00:19:20] - One of the biggest risks to Facebook over the coming years
[00:23:33] - Future asset optionality that investors should be excited about
[00:28:16] - Thoughts on whether or not Facebook abuses its power given its size
[00:31:19] - Whether or not plans to establish themselves as a super app holds true
[00:34:14] - What Facebook is today and where they’re going
Part 2
[00:36:25] - Why Facebook has such an effective ad system for digital marketing
[00:41:28] - Overview of how an advertiser uses their ad platform
[00:45:39] - Key dynamics that impact bidding on certain keywords and customers
[00:49:22] - The types of companies that are being built on top of Facebook’s ad railway
[00:52:13] - What data they have and common misconceptions about it
[00:56:15] - Things Facebook could learn about cross-app system tracking
[00:59:07] - The competitive landscape of digital advertising today
[01:01:52] - What would have to play out in order for them to stop growing
[01:04:05] - The ways in which commerce plays into Facebook’s story today
[01:07:39] - How having access to a user's payment information is a value unlock
[01:08:55] - The most important thing to Facebook and lessons to be learned from their story
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