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Audio Branding - Sines and Sounds: An Interview with  Nicolae Bogdan Bratis - Part 2

Sines and Sounds: An Interview with Nicolae Bogdan Bratis - Part 2

08/17/22 • 33 min

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“What’s great about podcasting is there's that intimacy there. It’s just audio. It’s really fun when I listen to a podcast or I edit a podcast and I don’t know what the guest looks like, I don’t know anything about a guest, and I’m trying to imagine what type of personality that guest has. And through voice you get personality, but it’s kind of like shaped in a different way.” -- Nicolae Bogdan Bratis

This episode continues my interview with musician, composer, and podcast producer Nicolae Bogdan Bratis as we talk about his process for creating distinctive jingles, how to make sure you’re getting the most out of your microphone, and podcasting’s expanding role in social media.

As always, if you have any questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, just visit www.audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find all sorts of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter (on the www.audiobrandingpodcast.com webpage) will let you know when the new podcasts are available.

Your Whole Mind

The second half of our interview starts with a look at Nicolae’s process for creating commercial jingles and sonic brands, a challenge he takes seriously. “You need to have the inspiration there because it's literally a creative work,” he says. “You have to be there with your whole mind.” One trick he relies on to create unique compositions is to start by playing truly random notes on a keyboard or guitar and then build on them. “It comes from randomness,” he tells us, “if that makes sense. It's not coming from your mind. And then from that randomness, you can really develop something that sounds original."

Sounding Your Best

We then talk about microphones, audio environments, and all the hidden obstacles that might get in the way of his clients’ recording sessions. “Until they get a professional to help them,” Nicolae explains, "they can’t really nail it down because there are so many things that can play a role in destroying your recording.” We discuss different microphone brands, the difference between side-address and top-address mics, and whether he recommends a condenser or dynamic microphone for podcasting. “Microphones nowadays,” he assured us, “are so good even the one-hundred-dollar microphone will sound good enough. Your audio will not suffer at the end of the day.”

Better and Better

“I think it's going to get better and better,” Nicolae says as he considers the future of podcasting. One recent trend is for podcast episodes to include visual elements, blurring the lines between audio-first content and video clips. “I have to cut quite a lot of content,” he says as we talk about the process of producing and editing visual podcasts, “just because there are so many visual references in the podcast that people may not understand because it's just audio.” He reminds us again of the power and understated importance of sound when it comes to presentation, and offers a humorous example of just how much the audio can change what we’re seeing on the screen. “If you have a horror movie with a funny track in the background,” he notes, “that horror movie may not be horror anymore.”

Episode Summary

  • Nicolae’s process for crafting jingles and composing original melodies
  • How everything from website colors to ambient sounds can shape an audio brand
  • The best microphones and sound setups for both studio and remote podcasting
  • The future of podcasting and challenges of producing visual podcasts

Connect with the Guest

Website: https://sawandsine.co.uk/

Follow Nicolae Bogdan Bratis on Facebook: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bratis/

Connect with Nicolae Bogdan Bratis on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bratis/

Follow Nicolae Bogdan Bratis on Twitter: https://twitter.com/sawandsine/

Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast:

Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals https://voiceoversandvocals.com

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“What’s great about podcasting is there's that intimacy there. It’s just audio. It’s really fun when I listen to a podcast or I edit a podcast and I don’t know what the guest looks like, I don’t know anything about a guest, and I’m trying to imagine what type of personality that guest has. And through voice you get personality, but it’s kind of like shaped in a different way.” -- Nicolae Bogdan Bratis

This episode continues my interview with musician, composer, and podcast producer Nicolae Bogdan Bratis as we talk about his process for creating distinctive jingles, how to make sure you’re getting the most out of your microphone, and podcasting’s expanding role in social media.

As always, if you have any questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, just visit www.audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find all sorts of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter (on the www.audiobrandingpodcast.com webpage) will let you know when the new podcasts are available.

Your Whole Mind

The second half of our interview starts with a look at Nicolae’s process for creating commercial jingles and sonic brands, a challenge he takes seriously. “You need to have the inspiration there because it's literally a creative work,” he says. “You have to be there with your whole mind.” One trick he relies on to create unique compositions is to start by playing truly random notes on a keyboard or guitar and then build on them. “It comes from randomness,” he tells us, “if that makes sense. It's not coming from your mind. And then from that randomness, you can really develop something that sounds original."

Sounding Your Best

We then talk about microphones, audio environments, and all the hidden obstacles that might get in the way of his clients’ recording sessions. “Until they get a professional to help them,” Nicolae explains, "they can’t really nail it down because there are so many things that can play a role in destroying your recording.” We discuss different microphone brands, the difference between side-address and top-address mics, and whether he recommends a condenser or dynamic microphone for podcasting. “Microphones nowadays,” he assured us, “are so good even the one-hundred-dollar microphone will sound good enough. Your audio will not suffer at the end of the day.”

Better and Better

“I think it's going to get better and better,” Nicolae says as he considers the future of podcasting. One recent trend is for podcast episodes to include visual elements, blurring the lines between audio-first content and video clips. “I have to cut quite a lot of content,” he says as we talk about the process of producing and editing visual podcasts, “just because there are so many visual references in the podcast that people may not understand because it's just audio.” He reminds us again of the power and understated importance of sound when it comes to presentation, and offers a humorous example of just how much the audio can change what we’re seeing on the screen. “If you have a horror movie with a funny track in the background,” he notes, “that horror movie may not be horror anymore.”

Episode Summary

  • Nicolae’s process for crafting jingles and composing original melodies
  • How everything from website colors to ambient sounds can shape an audio brand
  • The best microphones and sound setups for both studio and remote podcasting
  • The future of podcasting and challenges of producing visual podcasts

Connect with the Guest

Website: https://sawandsine.co.uk/

Follow Nicolae Bogdan Bratis on Facebook: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bratis/

Connect with Nicolae Bogdan Bratis on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bratis/

Follow Nicolae Bogdan Bratis on Twitter: https://twitter.com/sawandsine/

Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast:

Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals https://voiceoversandvocals.com

Tweet with me on

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undefined - Sines and Sounds: An Interview with  Nicolae Bogdan Bratis - Part 1

Sines and Sounds: An Interview with Nicolae Bogdan Bratis - Part 1

“First things first, to get a podcast to sound good is not hard. Many people think that it’s so hard to make it sound great: it’s not. The first thing they have to remember is that, if you have a good recording, I would say that you don’t even need an editor to get it done for you at the end.” -- Nicolae Bogdan Bratis

This episode’s guest comes from a musical background and has had quite a lot of success as a musician in Romania, having been in the finale of X-Factor 2013. He sings, plays several different instruments, has produced his own music, and he performed throughout the UK with his own solo project before the pandemic started. He moved to the UK in 2016 to study music production, and in 2018 he started his own podcast production company called Saw and Sine. Now he edits podcasts, creates jingles, restores audio, and even records and produces audiobooks. He's always been in love with sound, whether it's music or spoken audio, and he’s all about helping his clients get the best audio brand possible.

His name is Nicolae Bogdan Bratis, and if you want to work in sound, or if you want to improve your sound so your message can reach deeper, this interview is sure to provide a lot of great tips.

As always, if you have any questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, just visit www.audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find all sorts of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter (on the www.audiobrandingpodcast.com webpage) will let you know when the new podcasts are available.

A Musical Ear

We start the show with a look at Nicolae's earliest memories of sound, his family's musical history, and his childhood music lessons. “My teacher,” he recalls, “when I was just ten, I guess, told me that I have a musical ear, I can hear sounds, I can hear the pitch and everything.” He talks about his encounter with a teenage rock band at a music school in Romania, and how it inspired him to pursue a career in sound. “I was always interested in the technical part of audio,” he says, “not just into the artistic part, and I loved producing music, I loved working with tracks, working with computers, all that jam.”

Simplicity and Complexity

Nicolae goes on to tell us about the distinctive name of his studio, Saw and Sine. “The sine wave,” he explains, “is the purest waveform you can generate with a synthesizer and the saw-tooth is the busiest, the most harmonic waveform you can generate with a simple circuit. That's kind of like simplicity and complexity at the same time." The physical aspect of sound's always fascinated him, and we talk about how sound not only surrounds us but affects us in ways we don't often consider. "Before you actually have the earthquake, you get that big rumble," he says. “That’s all sound waves.”

Finding the Hidden Gems

We talk about how the pandemic, and the remote audio industry that emerged from it, helped shape his career as a podcast producer, and the hidden value of sound quality. It truly is a hidden gem, as he reminds us. “It’s there, it exists, but it's hidden,” he adds, “and if you don't pay attention to it, it can destroy your brand.” Fortunately, creating quality sound these days doesn’t have to involve a traditional recording studio. “You just need a basic microphone,” Nicolae says, “because the technology’s evolved so much. With just a few pieces of equipment, you can get something that sounds really good.”

Don’t Stop Learning

Nicolae offers some recording tips, including his advice to turn off the echo cancellation feature when it comes to streaming audio and replace it with a simple pair of headphones. Echo cancellation “solves the effect,” as he puts it, “but it’s not solving the actual problem.” As the first half of the interview comes to a close, he tells us about the podcasts he's helped shape and transform as a producer and his advice for people who are just starting out. “If you want to start a podcast,” he says, “go ahead and do it and you’ll learn while you're doing it. But learn while you’re doing it, and don’t stop learning.”

Episode Summary

  • Nicolae’s memories of sound and childhood in Romania
  • His appearance on X-Factor and career as a musician and producer
  • The importance of sound quality and choosing the right equipment
  • What is echo cancellation and how does it affect streaming audio
  • Nicolae’s experiences and advice when it comes to podcasting

Tune in next week for the second half of the interview as we talk about Nicolae’s approach to writing jingle...

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undefined - A Sixth Sense for Sound: An Interview with Colleen Fahey - Part 1

A Sixth Sense for Sound: An Interview with Colleen Fahey - Part 1

“All news music doesn't have to have trumpets and trombones, and all trains don't have to just ring, you know, or honk. And all appliances shouldn't always sound like ‘beep beep beep,’ you know, chip sounds instead of having a tune that would make people remember them better and maybe like them better.” -- Colleen Fahey

This week’s guest is a creative executive with deep experience in branding and marketing at multiple touchpoints. When she learned of Sixième Son, a sonic branding agency that had created over four hundred brands, she approached them about expanding to North America. She opened a sonic branding agency in Chicago at the end of 2012 and, in 2017, co-authored the book Audio Branding: Using Sound to Build Your Brand. Since those days, her team has led Sixième Son's sonic branding initiatives for Atlanta, Michelin, Huggies, Merrell Footwear, USAA Insurance, Sparkling Ice drinks, a hospital, a news network, an AIDS treatment, and many more. The North American business now operates out of New York, Toronto, and Cleveland, as well as Chicago. Throughout her career, she's been a creative director for leading brands in the US, Europe, Latin America, and Asia. Raised in Madrid, she speaks fluent Spanish, conversational French, and a courageous-but-embarrassing Portuguese.

Her name is Colleen Fahey, and if you’ve always wanted to ask questions about audio branding from one of the oldest premier companies in the business, you’ll want to hear this interview. I have no doubt Colleen will blow our minds with her observations about the audio branding landscape.

As always, if you have any questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, just visit www.audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find all sorts of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter (on the www.audiobrandingpodcast.com webpage) will let you know when the new podcasts are available. And if you’d consider it, I’d love to hear what you think of the podcast! You can leave a review (that I’d love to feature on future podcasts!), either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page.

An Elegant Idea

The episode begins with Colleen’s earliest memories of sound: she tells us about leaving the U.S. at the age of four to live in Spain, and how the sound of the ocean liner’s horn as they departed literally shook her from head to toe. “It somehow also got into my psyche too,” she tells us, “because it was almost like a book had closed with that sound.” We then talk about a pivotal moment in 2011 when she first learned about sonic branding, as she attended the Audio Branding Congress at Columbia University. “I was struck by how elegant the idea was that these people were so excited about,” Colleen explains, “how elegant the idea of having a sound that repped the brand from every angle.”

The Value of Your Brand

Next Colleen tells us about writing her first book, and the importance of, as she puts it, “an audio brand that fits your brand, that communicates your values, that gets attention and really becomes a brand asset that lasts for years.” We talk about the power of early audio marketing in transforming Hawaii from a little-known territory into a tourist destination, and about avoiding the cliches and sonic codes that commercials have created. “A brand needs to stand out,” she says, “be recognized and differentiate, and the music has to help you differentiate in a way that's appropriate to the value of the brand.”

Using Your Ears

We go on to talk about mood boards, what exactly they are, and how they helped inspire her team at Sixième Son while creating a sonic brand for Atlanta’s tourism board. “The music,” she recalls about one brainstorming session, “instead of coming together, was layered. Everyone sounded good, but they didn't sound like they were all playing the same thing, and that was just a big a-ha moment.” There’s inspiration all around us, she explains, and she tells us about the importance of listening for it and keeping our ears open. “I'm talking about people having to really sit and use their ears,” she says. “Everyone loves doing it, and they're amazed at how exhausted they are at the end.”

Hearing Without Listening

“The thing that an audio brand can do,” Colleen tells us, “is access people at a very immediate level, and almost without their knowing that they're being influenced.” We talk about audio cues and sonic logos that have become an almost invisible part of our lives, and how brands have replaced intrusive advertising with a more subtle and widespread presence. As we close the first half of...

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