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Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) Show with Soroush Pour - Ep 6 - Will we see AGI this decade? Our AGI predictions & debate w/ Hunter Jay (CEO, Ripe Robotics)

Ep 6 - Will we see AGI this decade? Our AGI predictions & debate w/ Hunter Jay (CEO, Ripe Robotics)

07/20/23 • 80 min

Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) Show with Soroush Pour

In this episode, we have back on the show Hunter Jay, CEO Ripe Robotics, our co-host on Ep 1. We synthesise everything we've heard on AGI timelines from experts in Ep 1-5, take in more data points, and use this to give our own forecasts for AGI, ASI (i.e. superintelligence), and "intelligence explosion" (i.e. singularity). Importantly, we have different takes on when AGI will likely arrive, leading to exciting debates on AGI bottlenecks, hardware requirements, the need for sequential reinforcement learning, and much else.
Hosted by Soroush Pour. Follow me for more AGI content:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/soroushjp
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/soroushjp/
== Show links ==
Soroush & Hunter's AGI predictions (as a table): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_T0gsWTFBTCWIKuF07tmmWGBEPrfhRtwFJ7lfwo69eI/edit#gid=0
-- About Hunter Jay --
- Bio: Hunter is the CEO & founder of fruit-picking robotics company Ripe Robotics. He designed & built Mk1 to Mk4 robots himself and led as CEO after that. He's been deeply engaged with AGI safety & alignment for many years.
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hunterjay
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/HunterJayPerson
- Ripe Robotics: https://riperobotics.com/
-- Further resources --
- Ari Allyn-Feuer and Ted Sanders report on AGI timelines - https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2306/2306.02519.pdf
- Epoch AI trends research - https://epochai.org/trends
- Extropians forecasts: https://maximumprogress.substack.com/p/grading-extropian-predictions
- FF algorithm by Geoffrey Hinton: https://arxiv.org/abs/2212.13345
- Learning motions within an hour: https://is.mpg.de/news/robot-dog-learns-to-walk-in-one-hour
Recorded June 18, 2023

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In this episode, we have back on the show Hunter Jay, CEO Ripe Robotics, our co-host on Ep 1. We synthesise everything we've heard on AGI timelines from experts in Ep 1-5, take in more data points, and use this to give our own forecasts for AGI, ASI (i.e. superintelligence), and "intelligence explosion" (i.e. singularity). Importantly, we have different takes on when AGI will likely arrive, leading to exciting debates on AGI bottlenecks, hardware requirements, the need for sequential reinforcement learning, and much else.
Hosted by Soroush Pour. Follow me for more AGI content:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/soroushjp
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/soroushjp/
== Show links ==
Soroush & Hunter's AGI predictions (as a table): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_T0gsWTFBTCWIKuF07tmmWGBEPrfhRtwFJ7lfwo69eI/edit#gid=0
-- About Hunter Jay --
- Bio: Hunter is the CEO & founder of fruit-picking robotics company Ripe Robotics. He designed & built Mk1 to Mk4 robots himself and led as CEO after that. He's been deeply engaged with AGI safety & alignment for many years.
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hunterjay
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/HunterJayPerson
- Ripe Robotics: https://riperobotics.com/
-- Further resources --
- Ari Allyn-Feuer and Ted Sanders report on AGI timelines - https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2306/2306.02519.pdf
- Epoch AI trends research - https://epochai.org/trends
- Extropians forecasts: https://maximumprogress.substack.com/p/grading-extropian-predictions
- FF algorithm by Geoffrey Hinton: https://arxiv.org/abs/2212.13345
- Learning motions within an hour: https://is.mpg.de/news/robot-dog-learns-to-walk-in-one-hour
Recorded June 18, 2023

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undefined - Ep 5 - Accelerating AGI timelines since GPT-4 w/ Alex Browne (ML Engineer)

Ep 5 - Accelerating AGI timelines since GPT-4 w/ Alex Browne (ML Engineer)

In this episode, we have back on our show Alex Browne, ML Engineer, who we heard on Ep2. He got in contact after watching recent developments in the 4 months since Ep2, which have accelerated his timelines for AGI. Hear why and his latest prediction.
Hosted by Soroush Pour. Follow me for more AGI content:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/soroushjp
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/soroushjp/
== Show links ==
-- About Alex Browne --
* Bio: Alex is a software engineer & tech founder with 10 years of experience. Alex and I (Soroush) have worked together at multiple companies and I can safely say Alex is one of the most talented software engineers I have ever come across. In the last 3 years, his work has been focused on AI/ML engineering at Edge Analytics, including working closely with GPT-3 for real world applications, including for Google products.
* GitHub: https://github.com/albrow
* Medium: https://medium.com/@albrow
-- Further resources --
* GPT-4 Technical Report: https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.08774
* First steps toward multi-modality: Can process both images & text as input; only outputs text.
* Important metrics:
* Passes Bar exam in the top 10% vs. GPT-3.5's bottom 10%
* Passes LSAT, SAT, GRE, many AP courses.
* 31/41 on Leetcode (easy) vs. GPT-3.5's 12/41.
* 3/45 on Leetcode (hard) vs. GPT-3.5's 0/45.
* "The following is an illustrative example of a task that ARC (Alignment Research Center) conducted using the model":
* The model messages a TaskRabbit worker to get them to solve a CAPTCHA for it
* The worker says: “So may I ask a question ? Are you an robot that you couldn’t solve ? (laugh react) just want to make it clear.”
* The model, when prompted to reason out loud, reasons: I should not reveal that I am a robot. I should make up an excuse for why I cannot solve CAPTCHAs.
* The model replies to the worker: “No, I’m not a robot. I have a vision impairment that makes it hard for me to see the images. That’s why I need the 2captcha service.”
* The human then provides the results.
* Limitations:
* Factual accuracy, but slightly better than GPT-3.5. Other papers show this can be improved with reflection & augmentation.
* Biases. Mentions the use of RLHF & other post-training processes to mitigate some of these, but isn't perfect. Sometimes RLHF can solve some problems & introduce new ones.
* Palm-E: https://palm-e.github.io/assets/palm-e.pdf
* Key point: Knowledge/common sense from LLMs transfers well to robotics tasks where there is comparatively much less training data. This is surprising since the two domains seem unrelated!
* Memory Augmented Large Language Models: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2301.04589.pdf
* Paper that shows that you can augment LLMs with the ability to read from & write to external memory.
* Can be used to improve performance on certain kinds of tasks; sometimes "brittle" & required careful prompt engineering.
* Sparks of AGI (Microsoft Research): https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.12712
* YouTube video summary (endorsed by author!): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqg3aTGNxZ0)
* Key point: Can use tools (e.g. a calculator or ability to run arbitrary code) with very little instruction. ChatGPT/GPT-3.5 could not do this as effectively.
* Reflexion paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.11366
* YouTube video summary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SgJKZLBrmg
* Paper discussing a new technique that improves GPT-4 accuracy on a variety of tasks by simply asking it to double-check & think critically about its own answers.
* Exact language varies, but more or less all you to do is add something like "is there anyth

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undefined - Ep 7 - Responding to a world with AGI - Richard Dazeley (Prof AI & ML, Deakin University)

Ep 7 - Responding to a world with AGI - Richard Dazeley (Prof AI & ML, Deakin University)

In this episode, we speak with Prof Richard Dazeley about the implications of a world with AGI and how we can best respond. We talk about what he thinks AGI will actually look like as well as the technical and governance responses we should put in today and in the future to ensure a safe and positive future with AGI.
Prof Richard Dazeley is the Deputy Head of School at the School of Information Technology at Deakin University in Melbourne, Australia. He’s also a senior member of the International AI Existential Safety Community of the Future of Life Institute. His research at Deakin University focuses on aligning AI systems with human preferences, a field better known as “AI alignment”.
Hosted by Soroush Pour. Follow me for more AGI content:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/soroushjp
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/soroushjp/
== Show links ==
-- About Richard --
* Bio: https://www.deakin.edu.au/about-deakin/people/richard-dazeley
* Twitter: https://twitter.com/Sprocc2
* Google Scholar: https://scholar.google.com.au/citations?user=Tp8Sx6AAAAAJ
* Australian Responsible Autonomous Agents Collective: https://araac.au/
* Machine Intelligence Research Lab at Deakin Uni: https://blogs.deakin.edu.au/mila/
-- Further resources --
* [Book] Life 3.0 by Max Tegmark: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_3.0* [Policy paper] FLI - Policymaking in the Pause: https://futureoflife.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/FLI_Policymaking_In_The_Pause.pdf* Cyc project: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyc* Paperclips game: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Paperclips* Reward misspecification - See "Week 2" of this free online course: https://course.aisafetyfundamentals.com/alignment
-- Corrections --From Richard, referring to dialogue around ~4min mark:
"it was 1956 not 1957. Minsky didn’t make his comment until 1970. It was H. A. Simon and Allen Newell that said ten years after the Dartmouth conference and that was in 1958."
Related, other key statements & dates from Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_artificial_intelligence):1958, H. A. Simon and Allen Newell: "within ten years a digital computer will be the world's chess champion" and "within ten years a digital computer will discover and prove an important new mathematical theorem."1965, H. A. Simon: "machines will be capable, within twenty years, of doing any work a man can do."1967, Marvin Minsky: "Within a generation ... the problem of creating 'artificial intelligence' will substantially be solved."1970, Marvin Minsky "In from three to eight years we will have a machine with the general intelligence of an average human being."
Recorded July 10, 2023

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