
Two White Men and A Black Woman on Knowing, Being Known, and Trusting with Dr. Paul Hoard and Dr. Doug Shirley - Part 2
10/15/23 • 40 min
Dr. Paul Hoard and Dr. Doug Shirley join the podcast today for part two of the discussion on knowing, being known, and trusting.
Both Dr. Hoard and Dr. Shirley are associate professors of counseling psychology at The Seattle School. Today, they continue to delve into conversation with Dr. Gadson on building relationships across differences, discussing collective shame, and identifying perpetrator trauma.
Tune in to part two of this episode as these three reflect on their lived and shared experiences as they have leaned into the processes of developing trust, knowing, and being known.
Information for Dr. Paul Hoard:
https://paulhoard.substack.comInformation for Dr. Doug Shirley:
http://www.dougshirleyresearch.com
Information for Dr. Gadson
https://www.drmoniquesmithgadson.com/
Link to order “Finding Hope in A Dark Place”:
https://www.amazon.com/Finding-Hope-Dark-Place-Loneliness/dp/1683596358/ref=rvi_sccl_7/138-1785751-1148333?pd_rd_w=decCb&content-id=amzn1.sym.f5690a4d-f2bb-45d9-9d1b-736fee412437&pf_rd_p=f5690a4d-f2bb-45d9-9d1b-736fee412437&pf_rd_r=GMEBCA5ZB54MM98HHN5F&pd_rd_wg=pwctW&pd_rd_r=0cf054c6-aedd-427d-ac2a-563757407228&pd_rd_i=1683596358&psc=1
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Dr. Paul Hoard and Dr. Doug Shirley join the podcast today for part two of the discussion on knowing, being known, and trusting.
Both Dr. Hoard and Dr. Shirley are associate professors of counseling psychology at The Seattle School. Today, they continue to delve into conversation with Dr. Gadson on building relationships across differences, discussing collective shame, and identifying perpetrator trauma.
Tune in to part two of this episode as these three reflect on their lived and shared experiences as they have leaned into the processes of developing trust, knowing, and being known.
Information for Dr. Paul Hoard:
https://paulhoard.substack.comInformation for Dr. Doug Shirley:
http://www.dougshirleyresearch.com
Information for Dr. Gadson
https://www.drmoniquesmithgadson.com/
Link to order “Finding Hope in A Dark Place”:
https://www.amazon.com/Finding-Hope-Dark-Place-Loneliness/dp/1683596358/ref=rvi_sccl_7/138-1785751-1148333?pd_rd_w=decCb&content-id=amzn1.sym.f5690a4d-f2bb-45d9-9d1b-736fee412437&pf_rd_p=f5690a4d-f2bb-45d9-9d1b-736fee412437&pf_rd_r=GMEBCA5ZB54MM98HHN5F&pd_rd_wg=pwctW&pd_rd_r=0cf054c6-aedd-427d-ac2a-563757407228&pd_rd_i=1683596358&psc=1
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Two White Men and A Black Woman on Knowing, Being Known, and Trusting with Dr. Paul Hoard and Dr. Doug Shirley
Dr. Paul Hoard and Dr. Doug Shirley join the podcast today.
Both Dr. Hoard and Dr. Shirley are associate professors of counseling psychology at The Seattle School. Today, they engage conversation with Dr. Gadson on building relationships across differences, discussing collective shame, and identifying perpetrator trauma.
Tune in to part one of this episode as these three reflect on their lived and shared experiences as they have leaned into the processes of developing trust, knowing, and being known.
Information for Dr. Paul Hoard:
https://paulhoard.substack.comInformation for Dr. Doug Shirley:
http://www.dougshirleyresearch.com
Information for Dr. Gadson
https://www.drmoniquesmithgadson.com/
Link to order “Finding Hope in A Dark Place”:
https://www.amazon.com/Finding-Hope-Dark-Place-Loneliness/dp/1683596358/ref=rvi_sccl_7/138-1785751-1148333?pd_rd_w=decCb&content-id=amzn1.sym.f5690a4d-f2bb-45d9-9d1b-736fee412437&pf_rd_p=f5690a4d-f2bb-45d9-9d1b-736fee412437&pf_rd_r=GMEBCA5ZB54MM98HHN5F&pd_rd_wg=pwctW&pd_rd_r=0cf054c6-aedd-427d-ac2a-563757407228&pd_rd_i=1683596358&psc=1
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Two White Men and A Black Woman on Knowing, Being Known, and Trusting with Dr. Paul Hoard and Dr. Doug Shirley - Part 3
Dr. Paul Hoard and Dr. Doug Shirley join the podcast today for part three of the discussion on knowing, being known, and trusting.
Both Dr. Hoard and Dr. Shirley are associate professors of counseling psychology at The Seattle School. Today, they continue to delve into conversation with Dr. Gadson on building relationships across differences, discussing collective shame, and identifying perpetrator trauma.
Tune in to part three as Drs. Gadson, Hoard, and Shirley reflect on what’s next as well as their emotional processes regarding these intimate conversations.
Information for Dr. Paul Hoard:
https://paulhoard.substack.comInformation for Dr. Doug Shirley:
http://www.dougshirleyresearch.com
Information for Dr. Gadson
https://www.drmoniquesmithgadson.com/
Link to order “Finding Hope in A Dark Place”:
https://www.amazon.com/Finding-Hope-Dark-Place-Loneliness/dp/1683596358/ref=rvi_sccl_7/138-1785751-1148333?pd_rd_w=decCb&content-id=amzn1.sym.f5690a4d-f2bb-45d9-9d1b-736fee412437&pf_rd_p=f5690a4d-f2bb-45d9-9d1b-736fee412437&pf_rd_r=GMEBCA5ZB54MM98HHN5F&pd_rd_wg=pwctW&pd_rd_r=0cf054c6-aedd-427d-ac2a-563757407228&pd_rd_i=1683596358&psc=1
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