
From Belonging to Betrayal with Dr. Jemar Tisby
09/24/23 • 59 min
Historian, author, speaker - Dr. Jemar Tisby - joins the podcast today.
Dr. Jemar Tisby shares his lived experiences and the emotional effects of realizing when he did not belong, especially in the church. Dr. Tisby recounts how he was introduced to Jesus and the positive encounters he experienced in his formative years.
We engage dialogue to honor the emotional aspects of Dr. Tisby’s story as he delves into the feeling of betrayal he experienced and endured. It is because of those previous positive experiences and his remembrance of Who Jesus simply is, that propels him to continue to call the church to be a place of belonging by eliminating the barrier of race.
Dr. Tisby encourages everyone to check on and check in with one another to generate and communicate hope. That hope and care and concern can be healing in the lives of others. He also shares that self care is essential as he continues to do the work God has called him to do.
Information for Dr. Tisby:
https://jemartisby.com/
https://jemartisby.com/books/
https://instagram.com/jemartisby?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
https://jemartisby.substack.com/
https://twitter.com/jemartisby?s=21
Information for Dr. Gadson
https://www.drmoniquesmithgadson.com/
Link to order “Finding Hope in A Dark Place”:
https://lexhampress.com/search?query=Finding%20Hope%20in%20a%20Dark%20Place%3A%20Facing%20Loneliness%2C%20Depression%2C%20and%20Anxiety%20with%20the%20Power%20of%20Grace&sortBy=Relevance&limit=30&page=1&ownership=all&geographicAvailability=all
https://www.amazon.com/Finding-Hope-Dark-Place-Loneliness/dp/1683596358/ref=rvi_sccl_7/138-1785751-1148333?pd_rd_w=decCb&content-id=amzn1.sym.f5690a4d-f2bb-45d9-9d1b-736fee412437&pf_rd_p=f5690a4d-f2bb-45d9-9d1b-736fee412437&pf_rd_r=GMEBCA5ZB54MM98HHN5F&pd_rd_wg=pwctW&pd_rd_r=0cf054c6-aedd-427d-ac2a-563757407228&pd_rd_i=1683596358&psc=1
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Historian, author, speaker - Dr. Jemar Tisby - joins the podcast today.
Dr. Jemar Tisby shares his lived experiences and the emotional effects of realizing when he did not belong, especially in the church. Dr. Tisby recounts how he was introduced to Jesus and the positive encounters he experienced in his formative years.
We engage dialogue to honor the emotional aspects of Dr. Tisby’s story as he delves into the feeling of betrayal he experienced and endured. It is because of those previous positive experiences and his remembrance of Who Jesus simply is, that propels him to continue to call the church to be a place of belonging by eliminating the barrier of race.
Dr. Tisby encourages everyone to check on and check in with one another to generate and communicate hope. That hope and care and concern can be healing in the lives of others. He also shares that self care is essential as he continues to do the work God has called him to do.
Information for Dr. Tisby:
https://jemartisby.com/
https://jemartisby.com/books/
https://instagram.com/jemartisby?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
https://jemartisby.substack.com/
https://twitter.com/jemartisby?s=21
Information for Dr. Gadson
https://www.drmoniquesmithgadson.com/
Link to order “Finding Hope in A Dark Place”:
https://lexhampress.com/search?query=Finding%20Hope%20in%20a%20Dark%20Place%3A%20Facing%20Loneliness%2C%20Depression%2C%20and%20Anxiety%20with%20the%20Power%20of%20Grace&sortBy=Relevance&limit=30&page=1&ownership=all&geographicAvailability=all
https://www.amazon.com/Finding-Hope-Dark-Place-Loneliness/dp/1683596358/ref=rvi_sccl_7/138-1785751-1148333?pd_rd_w=decCb&content-id=amzn1.sym.f5690a4d-f2bb-45d9-9d1b-736fee412437&pf_rd_p=f5690a4d-f2bb-45d9-9d1b-736fee412437&pf_rd_r=GMEBCA5ZB54MM98HHN5F&pd_rd_wg=pwctW&pd_rd_r=0cf054c6-aedd-427d-ac2a-563757407228&pd_rd_i=1683596358&psc=1
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Every Season Sacred with Kayla Craig
Author, writer, podcast host - Kayla Craig - joins the podcast today.
Kayla discusses her new book, “Every Season Sacred”. In this book, Kayla invites parents to attend to their own souls and also to their own family’s flourishing.
With tender curiosity and contemplative wisdom, “Every Season Sacred " is a weekly invitation to grow spiritually alongside our children. Inside this beautifully and brilliantly written book, Kayla blends thoughtful musings and practical resources that meets parents right where they are.
Tune into this episode to hear Kayla discuss how she was inspired to write such an inspirational read!
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https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/liturgies-for-parents-with-kayla-craig/id1620428403
https://kaylacraig.com/newbook/
Information for Dr. Gadson
https://www.drmoniquesmithgadson.com/
Link to order “Finding Hope in A Dark Place”:
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Two White Men and A Black Woman on Knowing, Being Known, and Trusting with Dr. Paul Hoard and Dr. Doug Shirley
Dr. Paul Hoard and Dr. Doug Shirley join the podcast today.
Both Dr. Hoard and Dr. Shirley are associate professors of counseling psychology at The Seattle School. Today, they engage conversation with Dr. Gadson on building relationships across differences, discussing collective shame, and identifying perpetrator trauma.
Tune in to part one of this episode as these three reflect on their lived and shared experiences as they have leaned into the processes of developing trust, knowing, and being known.
Information for Dr. Paul Hoard:
https://paulhoard.substack.comInformation for Dr. Doug Shirley:
http://www.dougshirleyresearch.com
Information for Dr. Gadson
https://www.drmoniquesmithgadson.com/
Link to order “Finding Hope in A Dark Place”:
https://www.amazon.com/Finding-Hope-Dark-Place-Loneliness/dp/1683596358/ref=rvi_sccl_7/138-1785751-1148333?pd_rd_w=decCb&content-id=amzn1.sym.f5690a4d-f2bb-45d9-9d1b-736fee412437&pf_rd_p=f5690a4d-f2bb-45d9-9d1b-736fee412437&pf_rd_r=GMEBCA5ZB54MM98HHN5F&pd_rd_wg=pwctW&pd_rd_r=0cf054c6-aedd-427d-ac2a-563757407228&pd_rd_i=1683596358&psc=1
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