
Pioneering AI in Law and Accounting
10/22/24 • 45 min
This week Isaac is joined by Noah Waisberg, founder of Kira Systems and Zuva, to discuss his journey from lawyer to AI entrepreneur. Noah shares insights on the evolution of contract analysis technology, from early machine learning approaches to today's large language models. The conversation explores the intersection of legal and accounting AI, delving into topics like structured information extraction from contracts, risk scoring, and the potential for AI to enhance pre-signature contract review processes. Noah also offers his perspective on the build vs. buy decision for AI tools in professional services firms.
- (00:00) - Introduction and Guest Welcome
- (00:45) - Noah Waisberg's Journey from Lawyer to AI Entrepreneur
- (01:57) - Challenges and Successes in Building AI for Contract Review
- (05:04) - Intersection of Legal and Accounting AI
- (07:04) - Deep Dive into Contract Review Processes
- (11:01) - Evolution of AI in Legal and Accounting Tech
- (16:06) - Early Days of AI Contract Tech Industry
- (18:57) - Teaching AI to Understand Contracts
- (24:21) - Leveraging Open Source LLMs
- (25:59) - Co mbining Old and New AI Technologies
- (30:59) - The Importance of User Interface in AI
- (34:16) - Build vs. Buy: AI Solutions for Companies
- (40:24) - Exciting AI Applications in Legal and Accounting
- (44:19) - Conclusion and Future Prospects
Learn more about Trullion
https://trullion.com
Learn more about Zuva
Connect with Noah Waisberg
Buy Noah's Books
https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B08QNG8B13
Connect with Isaac Heller
https://www.linkedin.com/in/isaacheller
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This week Isaac is joined by Noah Waisberg, founder of Kira Systems and Zuva, to discuss his journey from lawyer to AI entrepreneur. Noah shares insights on the evolution of contract analysis technology, from early machine learning approaches to today's large language models. The conversation explores the intersection of legal and accounting AI, delving into topics like structured information extraction from contracts, risk scoring, and the potential for AI to enhance pre-signature contract review processes. Noah also offers his perspective on the build vs. buy decision for AI tools in professional services firms.
- (00:00) - Introduction and Guest Welcome
- (00:45) - Noah Waisberg's Journey from Lawyer to AI Entrepreneur
- (01:57) - Challenges and Successes in Building AI for Contract Review
- (05:04) - Intersection of Legal and Accounting AI
- (07:04) - Deep Dive into Contract Review Processes
- (11:01) - Evolution of AI in Legal and Accounting Tech
- (16:06) - Early Days of AI Contract Tech Industry
- (18:57) - Teaching AI to Understand Contracts
- (24:21) - Leveraging Open Source LLMs
- (25:59) - Co mbining Old and New AI Technologies
- (30:59) - The Importance of User Interface in AI
- (34:16) - Build vs. Buy: AI Solutions for Companies
- (40:24) - Exciting AI Applications in Legal and Accounting
- (44:19) - Conclusion and Future Prospects
Learn more about Trullion
https://trullion.com
Learn more about Zuva
Connect with Noah Waisberg
Buy Noah's Books
https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B08QNG8B13
Connect with Isaac Heller
https://www.linkedin.com/in/isaacheller
Get NASBA Approved CPE or IRS Approved CE
Launch the course on Earmark to get free CPE/CE for listening to this episode.
Review
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This podcast is a production of the Earmark Media
The full transcript for this episode is available by clicking on the Transcript tab at the top of this page
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Learn more about Trullion
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Connect with Isaac Heller
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