Destigmatizing Psychedelics Through #thankyouplantmedicine | Jonathan Glazer & David Grillot ~ ATTMind 114

01/31/20 • 74 min

David Grillot and Jonathan Glazer are the founders of #ThankYouPlantMedicine, a global wave of gratitude for happening on February 20, 2020.

They are on the show to both talk about the movement itself and respond to some of my criticisms. We speak about the possible risks of "coming out of the psychedelic closet", the potentially adverse outcomes of destigmatizing psychedelics too quickly, the importance of actualizing our psychedelic learning, and the problems of politicizing the psychedelic movement.

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Episode Breakdown

what is #thankyouplantmedicine?
stigma against psychedelics hurts your integration
the value of speaking your truth
there will be risk for many people, is it worth it?
the value of sharing your stories
coming out of the psychedelic closet
the complexities of using the language of the gay movement in the psychedelic movement
the deep healing value of re-connection
the ideal outcome of #thankyouplantmedicine
how this movement might go wrong, personally and socially
stigmas and taboos exist with a purpose
why it takes more than psychedelics to better your life or the world, but they may help
how to not talk about psychedelics
the value of transcending political divides
the risk of politicizing the psychedelic movement
is #thankyouplantmedicine informed by psychedelic exceptionalism?

David Grillot and Jonathan Glazer are the founders of #ThankYouPlantMedicine, a global wave of gratitude for happening on February 20, 2020.

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Episode Breakdown

what is #thankyouplantmedicine?
stigma against psychedelics hurts your integration
the value of speaking your truth
there will be risk for many people, is it worth it?
the value of sharing your stories
coming out of the psychedelic closet
the complexities of using the language of the gay movement in the psychedelic movement
the deep healing value of re-connection
the ideal outcome of #thankyouplantmedicine
how this movement might go wrong, personally and socially
stigmas and taboos exist with a purpose
why it takes more than psychedelics to better your life or the world, but they may help
how to not talk about psychedelics
the value of transcending political divides
the risk of politicizing the psychedelic movement
is #thankyouplantmedicine informed by psychedelic exceptionalism?

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Building Best Practices In The Underground Subculture Of 5-MeO-DMT | Chad Charles ~ ATTMind 113

Chad Charles is a Conscious Connected Breathwork practitioner, intimacy/eros educator, and substance(5-MeO-DMT)-assisted body-based therapist. He has been very active in helping co-create projects that bring 5-MeO-DMT/bufo practitioners together in hopes that the worldwide standards of facilitation may rise to the best possible practice.

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Episode Breakdown

why 5-MeO-DMT is called “The God Molecule”
what is 5-MeO-DMT and what does it do, subjectively
Chad’s history of involvement and role in the 5-MeO-DMT scene
the difference between 5-MeO-DMT and “Bufo”
what is the 5-MeO-DMT Conclave and
the importance of psychedelic communities
Bufo Smoking is modern, there is no ancient tradition
The 5-MeO-DMT conclave best practices and code of ethics
creating a structure for conflict resolution between 5-MeO-DMT facilitator
BIG egos in the 5-MeO-DMT scene
the spiritual bypassing enabled by 5-MeO-DMT
protecting each other from prohibitionist law enforcement
the calling out of Octavio and Dr. Gerry
the importance of restorative justice circles in place of #cancelled
5-MeO-DMT flashbacks aka “reactivations”
finding 5-MeO-DMT facilitators for dealing with trauma
5-MeO-DMT facilitator burnout and how it affects their clients
The dangers of repeated use, how to assess those dangers, and how to protect your loved ones

Next Episode

Exploring Our Relationship To Psychedelic Healing | Mel Cassidy ~ ATTMind 115

Mel Cassidy is a relationship coach and sex-positive nerd who guides social misfits and cultural rebels to experiences of joyful, embodied, authentic open relationships. Mel has also been engaging in a relationship with psychedelics since they helped Mel heal after multiple miscarriages earlier in life.

Mel joins us on Adventures Through The Mind to explore how their models of understanding and engaging human relationships apply to understand and engaging our relationship to psychedelics, psychedelic healing, and psychedelic communities.

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Episode Breakdown

How psychedelics helped Mel heal through multiple miscarriages
Building a relationship to psychedelic medicine
Are psychedelics agents or tools?
Value difference in how different cultures view non-human elements of life
Two sides of me-centered relationships with psychedelics: materialism and spiritual bypassing
The risk of losing our deep cultural to psychedelics in favor of the capitalist and medical agendas of psychedelic legislation
How Canadian cannabis legalization screwed over generational cannabis farmers
The 4 layers of relations and their associated fears
Why we rush into intimacy before receiving safety and the consequences on our nervous system
The dangers of using psychedelics as merely objects to get our needs met
How dysfunctional relating behaviors may express themselves in psychedelic communities
The vital importance of layers of safety and knowledge of boundaries before journeying with psychedelics
Being “traditional trained shaman” doesn’t necessarily mean they are a safe provider
The risks/benefits of surrendering our control to a shaman or healer
Treating our psychedelic experiences the same way we treat our sexuality
Sexuality cautions and considerations as a model for engaging in psychedelic experiences
Four things to ask/discuss before sex or a medicine journey
- look at your fears;
- talk about your hopes/desires
- talk about your boundaries
- aftercare
Our aftercare processes for both sexual and psychedelic experience
The failures of group-shunning
Exploring the presence of and complexities of sexual abuse in psychedelic communities
Steve Bearman’s interchange was a cult
The dangers of supremacy stretch whiten psychedelic communities.
Dyadic relationships do not exist in isolation
“open window check-in”
Both supremacy and trauma create similar problems
Supremecy structures within shamanic communities
The deep healing needed for our relationships