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Accidental Gods

Accidental Gods

At this time of the Great Transition, we need new, fresh ideas, role models and narratives that show us how we can step forward into a future we'd be proud to leave to the generations that come after us. What does it take for our kids to look back and say, 'It was hard, but they did it'? What changes are we already making that take us in the right direction? We talk to the people leading the way, offering interviews, conversations and radical new ideas from people who are living the change we need to see in the world. We have the choice now, to transform - or to face the chaos of a failing system. Our Choice. Our Chance. Our Future. Join the evolution at:


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Carolyn Hillyer lives on a 1,000 year old farm in the heart of Dartmoor. Her fierce, deeply spiritual guardianship of this place involves a heart-commitment to sharing the space with those who have been and those yet to come. As we near the end of (the first) Covid lockdown, she talks - and sings - of her spiritual connection to the ancestors of this land, of the ceremonial spaces she has built, of the Sami women and the bear skull that they brought in honouring - and of the remains of a Bronze Age ancestor-woman found on the hill overlooking the land, and the bear skin she was wrapped in. Carolyn's deep, heartfelt connection to the land shines through her words, her art and her songs: a shining beacon of how life can be lived for those who choose to follow.

Carolyn’s website, Seventh Wave Music:

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So, it's our Birthday - and it's that time of year when every pundit endeavours to look back at the year just gone and ahead to the one that is coming. And we thought we'd like to establish a parallel tradition, where we bring together our favourite podcasting-friends and explore the ways we think. So we set up a structure that will be repeatable in future years... where we give each other gifts of a book, podcast or something else that has brought us real insight, and then we explore each other's existential questions. And we have fun. So that you can have fun too.

Della Duncan is a Renegade Economist who hosts the UPSTREAM podcast challenging traditional economic thinking and uplifting stories of sustainable, just, and equitable economic systems-change around the world. Della is also a Right Livelihood Coach, a Senior Fellow of Social and Economic Equity at the International Inequalities Institute in the London School of Economics, the Course Development Manager of Fritjof Capra’s Capra Course on the Systems View of Life, and an Alternative Economics Consultant.

Nathalie Nahai is host of THE HIVE podcast. Nathalie is an international speaker and author of the best-selling book, Webs of Influence: The Psychology of Online Persuasion, which has been translated into seven languages.

Her work explores the intersection between persuasive technology, ethics and the psychology of online behaviour, and clients include Google, Accenture, Unilever and Harvard Business Review, among others.

Nathalie gives keynotes, workshops and webinars on the psychological dynamics behind evolving consumer behaviours, teaching people how to ethically apply behavioural science principles to enhance their website, content marketing, product design and customer experience.

A member of the BIMA Human Insights Council, she also hosts The Hive Podcast, Seeking The Self and several Guardian podcasts, and contributes to national publications, television (BBC, Sky, CNN), and radio (BBC Radio 4) on the impact of technology in our lives.

From Nathalie:

From Della:


Podcast: Upstream Conversations that I mentioned

From Manda:


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Great Thunberg says that ‘We cannot save the planet by playing by the rules, so the rules have to be changed’. This is self-evidently true, but that leaves us with the question of what rules could we create that we could all live by. Polly Higgins has the Earth Protector law, but Shelley Ostroff has gone one step further with her Codes for a Healthy Earth and the World Water law. Together, these rules spell out our connection with the More than Human world, and leave us with agency, initiative, and a sense of genuine flourishing.

Shelley Ostroff (PhD) is a planetary activist, leadership consultant, social architect, mystic and writer. She is the founder of,, and other initiatives dedicated to the healing and replenishment of the planet and all its inhabitants. Concerned by the suffering and devastation humans cause each other, other species and the planet, she dedicated herself to exploring whole-system systems dynamics and integrative healing wisdom from diverse disciplines and traditions. She has worked with people from all walks of life, from different sectors of society and across continents as a therapist, consultant, mentor, and creative partner in cultivating individual, collective and whole-system wellness. Through ongoing research and practice, she has developed a unique holistic approach to human and whole-system healing and transformation that includes evolving blueprints for a new form of holistic health-oriented global Eco-Governance.

Codes for a Healthy Earth

Together in Creation:

Seven Days of Rest

Accidental Gods:

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We live on the edge of change - the facts can be terrifying, but the creative potential of our times is inspiring and just as jaw-dropping as the horrors of the reality we inhabit. Paul Behrens is Assistant Professor of Energy and Environmental Change at Leiden University in the Netherlands. He has advised governments and his work on climate change has appeared in leading scientific journals, as well as on the BBC, in the New York Times and Scientific American. He's got a clear, un-sensational view of the way things are - and how we can bring ourselves back from the brink.
In our conversation, we explore the realities and the possibilities - and where we might go from here.

Pauls Book:

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The concept of radical, renegade, revolutionary insurgency based on the model created in the Golden Age of Pirates was given wings by Sam Conniff's best selling book, BE MORE PIRATE.

In the wake of its success, Sam needed to find ways to help the many people the book inspired. And for that he needed help. Enter Alex Barker, Primary Pirate, visionary, breaker of rules and maker of gatherings on and offline. Alex and Sam between them have steered Pirate groups from industries as far apart as car manufacturing (Mercedes), Social Media Mega-Giants (Google) and nationally owned health care providers (the UK's NHS).

But we can go deeper than simply breaking the old, fossilised structures of industries... we can change the entire system. Because, as Sam says, 'problems will not be fixed by fixing the problems... what's really needed is an overhaul of the engine that's causing the problems. In other words, the business model.'
And, as Alex says, 'I want to see many more new crews forming outside of formal structures, so that while the old models fall, new ones are already emerging.'
Accidental Gods seeks to be part of that emerging eco-system of new ways of being. And to get there, we need new ways of thinking - and ways we can each break out of the moulds that have cast us. Alex Barker offers a map to the treasure of change. Follow us!

The book:
The Workshops:
Rethink Humanity Paper:

As we said at the end of the podcast, Mike Raven and Ross Thornley of AQAI have kindly agreed to let Accidental Gods subscribers and members access their Adaptability Quotient test.

The link is here:

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Red is the colour of our life blood. It joins us to the land and all the web of life. It was chosen as the original colour of the silent life-dancers of Extinction Rebellion as an explicit symbol of this life blood - and although other colours have been used, notably black for oil and blue for the sea - the feature of a red line of silent individuals threading between police and activists has become a key component of XR Actions across the world.

For those not involved in the Red Rebel Brigades, their presence can feel transformative. To understand better the deep, shamanic connection with the land and the sensing-into-spirit that is an integral part of Red Rebel actions, we interviewed Sophie Miller, founder of the Cornish Red Rebels in the UK and key activist in many other actions over the past eighteen months.

Anyone who is interested in becoming part of the world wide movement of Red Rebels can find out more on their web page:

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Suppose we all learned three things at school: empathy, critical thinking and systems thinking... imagine how different the world would be. Suppose we learned how to think clearly, how to communicate, how to understand our own feelings and express them without feeling the need to trash other people just because we were hurt, or angry.
Rachel Musson, founder and educational director of ThoughtBox, a radical, new co-learning programme speaks of her journey to create the system, and how it's working - in over a thousand schools and fifty four nations across the world. Rachel believes in co-learning: no more lesson plans, but a classroom of peers who take the core of a topic and build on it together. The result is a flexible learning environment where everyone thrives, where each individual is given space and encouragement to grow to be the best of themselves.
Imagine a world where this is possible. Where it is happening. Where it is growing...

About Rachel

Rachel Musson is a teacher, trainer, writer and thought-leader on

sustainable education and wellbeing in schools.

Working for 13 years as a Secondary English teacher, Rachel has taught

students and trained teachers in schools across the world including the UK,

Ireland, Australia, Nepal and Tanzania. She is the Founding Director of

ThoughtBox Education – a social enterprise fostering triple wellbeing by

helping young people deepen relationships with themselves, society and the

natural world. She is the pioneer behind Changing Climates: a free climate

change curriculum currently being used in 1500+ schools across 56 countries.

Rachel is currently working with industry leaders on education reform policy

and standing as an international thought-leader on climate-change education

and triple-wellbeing in schools.

ThoughtBox Community Network:
New free membership for global educators:
Freedom to Think: Blog on the new anti-capitalist ban in UK schools:

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Mike Raven is a Radical collaborator, rapid researcher, speaker, facilitator and entrepreneur.
He's a holistic business graduate and practitioner. He's a qualified Naturopath, who has studied at Schumacher College and been a UN Global Goals Ambassador. He's co-Founder of LEAPS - which accelerates Innovation for the Sustainable Development Goals using design-style sprints.
And most recently, he's co-Founder of AQai, whose mission is to improve humanity's adaptability at speed and scale, to help ensure no one gets left behind, in the fastest period of change we, or any human, has ever experienced in this, and the next decade.

Above all, he is a Husband, Son, Brother, Friend, former digital nomad and passionate Futurist.

Decoding AQ:
The Squiggly Career:
Global Goals.
Remote Year:
Biology of Belief:

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Mark Lakeman is the founder of the City Repair Project, as well as the founder and Design Director at communitecture, architecture & planning. Both organizations are Portland, Oregon-based world-changing initiatives that transform social, political, and physical infrastructure in order to embed permanent transformative effects. He has also been lead instructor for the Planet Repair Institute’s Urban Permaculture Design Course for a decade. Mark’s work has been published by El Mundo, Dwell, Architecture Magazine, New Village Journal, Sotokoto, The Utne Reader, Permaculture Activist and many more. With City Repair, in 2003 Mark was awarded the National Lewis Mumford Award, and his collaborative work has been featured at the Global Venice Biennale Exhibition. Additionally, in 2017, Mark’s work in City Repair was awarded “Social Design Circle” global recognition by the Curry Stone Design Prize.

Here, he talks to Accidental Gods podcast about his life's extraordinary journey from city architect to city repair - and how the world might look in 2030 if we got it all right.


City Repair Project:
Building Convergence:
Creative Mornings:

Village Building Convergence:

Mark Lakeman:

Planet Repair:

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We have to stop consuming stuff... but we never stop imbibing ideas. So here are some to choose from - all links to Blackwells. For obvious reasons.

'From what is to what if' by Rob Hopkins
The Trembling Warrior and others by Gill Coombs
'The Best of Times, the Worst of Times' by Paul Behrens
'How to Be More Pirate' by Alex Barker
'Doughnut Economics' by Kate Raworth (also Doughnut Economics Action Lab)
'Less is More' by Jason Hickel
'The Ocean is Alive' by Glenn Edney
'The Tao of Revolution' by Chris Taylor


'This is How You Lose The Time War' by Amal El-Mohtar and Max Gladstone
'The Border Keeper' by Kerstin Hall
'Slough House' by Mick Herron
'Agent Running in the Field' by John le Carré
'Attack Surface' by Cory Doctorow
'Call Down the Hawk' by Maggie Stiefvater
'The Timekeeper' by Tara Sim
'In Other Lands' by Sarah Rees Brennan
'The Ten Thousand Doors of January' by Alix E Harrow
'The Left Handed Booksellers of London' by Garth Nix.
'A Deadly Education' by Naomi Novak
'Fallible Justice' by Laura Laakso
'Poison in Paris' by Robert Wilton
'The Last Protector' by Andrew Taylor
'The Angel of the Crows' by Katherine Addison


Upstream hosted by Della Duncan
The Hive hosted by Nathalie Nahai
The Sustainable Futures Report by Anthony Day
A New and Ancient Story by Charles Eisenstein
'Your Undivided Attention' by Tristan Harris
'Regenerative Agriculture Podcast' by John Kempf
Farm Gate hosted by Ffinlo Costain
'Equiosity' by Alex Kurland
'Horses For Future' by Al...

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How many episodes does Accidental Gods have?

Accidental Gods currently has 183 episodes available.

What topics does Accidental Gods cover?

The podcast is about Agriculture, Economics, Shamanism, Education, Science, Society & Culture, Activism, Politics, Spirituality, Climate Change, Nature and Philosophy.

What is the most popular episode on Accidental Gods?

The episode title 'Fierce Tenderness and White Horse Hill Woman: the teachings of Carolyn Hillyer' is the most popular with 1 listens and 1 ratings.

What is the average episode length on Accidental Gods?

The average episode length on Accidental Gods is 60 minutes.

How often are episodes of Accidental Gods released?

Episodes of Accidental Gods are typically released every 7 days.

When was the first episode of Accidental Gods?

The first episode of Accidental Gods was released on Dec 24, 2019.

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