4.6 Meet the Team: Tango Fae Batelli
03/24/23 • 141 min
This is a conversation from our second season that we never actually aired, but we want you to hear it so you can get to know Tango Fae Batelli, one of our co-hosts. Tango is the founder of AutiComm, a peer-to-peer community of autistic folks, which is why we asked her to talk to us. In this conversation, we talk about feeling good about being autistic, the Double Empathy Problem, “not looking autistic,” fawning vs. masking, the different experiences of autistic males and females, and the different flavors of autism.
Feeling good about being autistic
Hyper-empathy
Do Autistic People Feel Empathy: Myths & Facts You Need To Know
Divergent from the norm - hyper or hypo version of the norm
Autistic Stories give us the gestalt of autism
Double Empathy Problem
Double empathy problem - Wikipedia.
Mykola Bilokonsky
How to speak respectfully about autism
How To Talk About Autism Respectfully · Public Neurodiversity Support Center
32 competing thoughts/losing track
Posing for painters
17:00 “you don’t look autistic”
Official diagnosis issues
Brazen
25:49 what comes to mind when you hear someone is autistic
Miss Manners - Miss Manners | Columns | ArcaMax Publishing
Scripts
29:00 clip:Tango: Triple major with one being Theater major with concentration in playwriting
Chronic pain “I’m not dying I’m just autistic”
Compounded trauma and stress
Polyvagal theory - Polyvagal theory - Wikipedia
31:45 Tango’s Theory of autism
Fawning
Processing through the ladder
Taking care of my autistic nervous system
Mistaken thought that it all ends with the diagnosis: stop autisming
Map analogy
Everybody is a Genius. But If You Judge a Fish by Its Ability to Climb a Tree, It Will Live Its Whole Life Believing that It is Stupid – Quote InvestigatorLook at how autism is portrayed in film and tv
Different flavors of autism
Prevalence of neurodiversity
Hannah Gadsby: Douglas - Wikipedia
52:20 Introductions
58:00 I found my map of weirdness
The different experiences of autism between male and female
Female autism: boys and girls are socialized differently; little girls play social roles and have scripts - learning the strategy to fawn
Boys are told what not to do: don’t cry, etc.
Buffet of comorbidities
Comorbid Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
Adhd and autism
ADHD and Autism Spectrum Disorder - CHADD
Hypermobility disorder
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypermobility_spectrum_disorder
This is a conversation from our second season that we never actually aired, but we want you to hear it so you can get to know Tango Fae Batelli, one of our co-hosts. Tango is the founder of AutiComm, a peer-to-peer community of autistic folks, which is why we asked her to talk to us. In this conversation, we talk about feeling good about being autistic, the Double Empathy Problem, “not looking autistic,” fawning vs. masking, the different experiences of autistic males and females, and the different flavors of autism.
Feeling good about being autistic
Hyper-empathy
Do Autistic People Feel Empathy: Myths & Facts You Need To Know
Divergent from the norm - hyper or hypo version of the norm
Autistic Stories give us the gestalt of autism
Double Empathy Problem
Double empathy problem - Wikipedia.
Mykola Bilokonsky
How to speak respectfully about autism
How To Talk About Autism Respectfully · Public Neurodiversity Support Center
32 competing thoughts/losing track
Posing for painters
17:00 “you don’t look autistic”
Official diagnosis issues
Brazen
25:49 what comes to mind when you hear someone is autistic
Miss Manners - Miss Manners | Columns | ArcaMax Publishing
Scripts
29:00 clip:Tango: Triple major with one being Theater major with concentration in playwriting
Chronic pain “I’m not dying I’m just autistic”
Compounded trauma and stress
Polyvagal theory - Polyvagal theory - Wikipedia
31:45 Tango’s Theory of autism
Fawning
Processing through the ladder
Taking care of my autistic nervous system
Mistaken thought that it all ends with the diagnosis: stop autisming
Map analogy
Everybody is a Genius. But If You Judge a Fish by Its Ability to Climb a Tree, It Will Live Its Whole Life Believing that It is Stupid – Quote InvestigatorLook at how autism is portrayed in film and tv
Different flavors of autism
Prevalence of neurodiversity
Hannah Gadsby: Douglas - Wikipedia
52:20 Introductions
58:00 I found my map of weirdness
The different experiences of autism between male and female
Female autism: boys and girls are socialized differently; little girls play social roles and have scripts - learning the strategy to fawn
Boys are told what not to do: don’t cry, etc.
Buffet of comorbidities
Comorbid Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
Adhd and autism
ADHD and Autism Spectrum Disorder - CHADD
Hypermobility disorder
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypermobility_spectrum_disorder
Previous Episode
4.5 Meet the Team: Julie Defeo
We’re repeating a conversation from our third season so you can get to know Julie Defeo, our line producer. In this conversation, Michael and Julie talk about considered opinions, micro-dosing, distinctions between autism and PTSD, a behind-the-curtain look at the horrors of ABA, and cuddle puddles.
Diagnosis
12:56.82 - Arguing with family
13:15.94 - Considered opinions
13:34.35 - Christopher Columbus was a sociopath
15:14.00 - Podcast: Behind the Bastards
Behind the Bastards: Part One: Christopher Columbus: Bringer of the Apocalypse on Apple Podcasts
23:31.29 - Is it possible to separate autism from trauma?
Trauma and The Autism Spectrum - Khiron Clinics.
24:35.16 - hypervigilance
https://psychcentral.com/health/hypervigilance
24:50.27 - Imposter syndrome
26:57.20 - I'm not missing your social cues I'm just choosing to ignore them
36:46.33 - neuroplasticity
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32491743/
37:33.92 - Microdosing for mental health
https://psychcentral.com/health/microdosing-mental-health-benefits
37:58.70 - Mykola Bilokonsky
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mykola-and-robert/id1564648558?i=1000558342755
42:53.98 - the pain scale, the opioid crisis, Perdue pharma
What led to the opioid crisis—and how to fix it | News | Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
Purdue Pharma Pleads Guilty to Role in Opioid Crisis as Part of Deal With Justice Dept.
45:51.14 - ABA seminar
52:07.71 - link to previous conversations re: ABA
A TEAM: Stéphanie, Michael, and Robert on Apple Podcasts
57:54.20 - Stephanie Navaro episode
A TEAM: Stéphanie, Michael, and Robert on Apple Podcasts
58:28.66 - Stimming
Next Episode
4.7 Brave Enough
In this conversation, we discuss burnout, self-care, boundaries, Adderall, and tattoos as totems.
IG neurodivergent lou
Lou🌈 ♾ (@neurodivergent_lou) • Instagram photos and videos
What does burnout look like?
Exhaustion
Losing skills we used to have
Feeling low/experiencing anxiety
Increased sensory issues
Taking more time to process information than usual.
Developing physical pain/illness
Irritability
Loss of ability to communicate
Lack of motivation
Difficulties with concentration
Autistic traits become more obvious
Memory issues
Laziness does not exist
Laziness Does Not Exist: Price Ph.D., Devon: 9781982140113: Amazon.com: Books
Tango's chronic pain is part of her PTSD
Chronic Pain and PTSD: Evolving Views on Their Comorbidity
Savior mode: I can fix it, I can help....best way to burn out
The Savior Complex | Psychology Today
survival self-care
The Language of Emotions by
Anger is a boundary alarm
Boundaries and Anger | CPTSDfoundation.org
Enabling behavior
Enabler: Definition, Behavior, Psychology, Recognizing One, More
Krebs cycle
Krebs Cycle - Definition, Products, and Location | Biology Dictionary
Adderall is speed
Adderall: Side effects, dosage, with alcohol, and more
Twigged
Twig Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
Tweaker
meth addict
Twerk
Ritalin
Ritalin: Uses, Dosage, Side Effects & Warnings - ADHD
sci-fi series about a leper
Dysphoria
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