Episode 5: Everyone Goes to Heaven

08/28/21 • 39 min

This is the second of a two-part episode on violent religious extremism. If you haven't already, listen to Aku Bukan Mesin - I Am Not a Machine, first.

In this episode, we are looking at how and why people become violent religious extremists, and explore “Everyone Goes to Heaven” - one of the songs Navicula released in response to a turbulent time in Indonesia’s history.

We are joined by Sidney Jones, a widely renowned expert on religious extremism and conflict in Indonesia, and Heidi Arbuckle, an expert on tolerance and on the role of music and the arts in creating an informed and tolerant society.

Hosted by: Ewa Wojkowska
Writing and Production: Ewa Wojkowska, Julia Winterflood, Lakota Moira
Production and sound design: Gede Robi
Co-production: Sergina Loncle, Andre Dananjaya
Mixing and Mastering: Cipta Gunawan, Tude Arta Sedana
All Music: Navicula
Podcast Artwork: Krishna Adipurba
Web design: Jay Sims, Vanessa Harsamto, Fleava, Major Tom
Photography: Penny Lane
Show Notes: https://naviculamusic.com/podcast/

This is the second of a two-part episode on violent religious extremism. If you haven't already, listen to Aku Bukan Mesin - I Am Not a Machine, first.

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Episode 4: Aku Bukan Mesin / I Am Not a Machine

In this episode, we are exploring violent religious extremism, through Aku Bukan Mesin (I am not a machine), one of the songs that the band recorded in response to terrorist bombings that shook Bali and Jakarta in the early 2000, and a turbulent political transition in Indonesia which saw conflict flaring up in various parts of the country. The conflicts were dividing communities across religious lines and resulted in large scale destruction, violence, displacement, and the deaths of thousands of people. Joining us in this episode is a special guest, Sidney Jones - a widely renowned expert on religious extremism and conflict in Indonesia.

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Episode 6: Mafia Hukum / The Legal Mafia

In this episode we are getting into a topic that every Indonesian across the country thinks about, corruption. We're going to do our best to give you a picture of why it's such a big issue in Indonesia and introduce you to some of the people and organizations who are tackling corruption at different levels in very diverse and creative ways.

We're looking at all of this through the Navicula song that has become the anthem of Indonesia's anti-corruption movement, Mafia Hukum, or the legal mafia, a song that is arguably one of the band's biggest hits.

This episode features: Dandhy Laksono, Documentary Filmmaker; Saut Situmorang, Deputy Commissioner of KPK (2015-1019), Sely Martini, Indonesia Corruption Watch; Edward Andrews, Musician; Gede Robi, Vocalist & Guitarist of Navicula.

A Soundtrack of Resistance - Episode 5: Everyone Goes to Heaven

Transcript

Ewa:
A quick note before we begin - this is a serialized show, so if you haven’t already, go
back to the prologue, and start listening from there.
Gembull:
When the bomb happened, we’re supposed to be playing a gig at Kuta beach. We’re
already halfway to the gig, to the venue.
I heard so many ambulance coming. But I thought it’s an accident or something. We
don’t know there’s a bomb explode just a few hundred meter in front of us. People
panicking and everyb