
Project to product with Mik Kersten
03/28/21 • 30 min
I’ve heard rants before (mostly from my friend Davor Čengija) how projects suck and how they result in The Inverse Boy Scout Rule – they leave the product in worse condition than they found it in.
But it wasn’t until I heard Mik Kersten‘s talk on DOES 2020 and read his book that I really understood the reasoning behind it. Mik has a lot of experience in delivering software as well as in leadership positions. Precisely this experience made him realize that there’s something wrong with the way we deliver software. Local optimizations and the lack of end-to-end value stream visibility caused many successful organizations to go under. Pair that with a traditional (but still present) mindset that IT is a cost center, and you are truly set for a disaster in today’s economy.
I spoke with Mik about problems in software delivery today and the disconnect between the Business and the IT that many organizations experience.
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Show notes:
- This interview is featured in 0800-DEVOPS #18 - Mik Kersten, Project to Product and a handful of good virtual conferences.
I’ve heard rants before (mostly from my friend Davor Čengija) how projects suck and how they result in The Inverse Boy Scout Rule – they leave the product in worse condition than they found it in.
But it wasn’t until I heard Mik Kersten‘s talk on DOES 2020 and read his book that I really understood the reasoning behind it. Mik has a lot of experience in delivering software as well as in leadership positions. Precisely this experience made him realize that there’s something wrong with the way we deliver software. Local optimizations and the lack of end-to-end value stream visibility caused many successful organizations to go under. Pair that with a traditional (but still present) mindset that IT is a cost center, and you are truly set for a disaster in today’s economy.
I spoke with Mik about problems in software delivery today and the disconnect between the Business and the IT that many organizations experience.
Subscribe to 0800-DEVOPS newsletter here.
Show notes:
- This interview is featured in 0800-DEVOPS #18 - Mik Kersten, Project to Product and a handful of good virtual conferences.
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