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X's and Joe's

X's and Joe's

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X's and Joe's, part of the Back Home Network, is a podcast that lets you eavesdrop on an ongoing, 25-year conversation between two friends and Indiana University grads who have an unusual passion for exploring the formula for winning in today’s modern college basketball.

Hosted by Bob Moats (cbobmoats) and Mike Wiemuth (iu-in-philly), this show examines trends in recruiting, metrics, strategy, and coaching -- with an emphasis on debunking myths and challenging popular assumptions.

And while Bob and Mike's rooting interests may lie with the Hoosiers, this show takes an expansive view of the college basketball landscape beyond just Bloomington.

In other words, it's a show for ALL serious college hoops fans who truly appreciate the nuances of the sport.

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X's and Joe's - [08] You Take the Wheel: Ask Us Anything
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04/12/24 • 108 min

On this edition of Xs & Joes, Bob and Mike turn the topics over to the listeners. We gathered a bunch of questions in Substack and Discord, and they go deep on the answers.

Among the questions and topics discussed:

  • Mike explains his scoring system for individual players
  • Does Indiana need a full rebuild?
  • Are IU fans delusional in the expectation that IU will ever achieve relevancy within the conference, let alone nationally?
  • Who would be your ideal 6 players for IU to add to next year’s team?
  • The widespread utilization of outside consulting groups/3-party vendors across college basketball
  • What is your guys’ demeanor as you watch IU games?
  • What happened to NIL being about repping local businesses or getting a portion of merch sales?
  • Is Mike's expertise used professionally (reimbursement) by teams, leagues, coaches, ADs etc., etc. at either collegiate or professional level and in what way?
  • What are the effects on IU, both negative and “positive,” with Purdue making a run to the Final Four for the first time in 44 years?
  • In the top performing teams, are there any clear trends with regard to positional size leading to more wins?
  • And ... what is the greatest decade for rock and why is Mike wrong saying it's not the 70's?

And more.

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On this edition of Xs and Joes, Bob and Mike take a look back at the current college basketball season that is nearing its conclusion and analyze some interesting trends and teams that were better/worse than expected. Plus ... some IU talk.

In this episode ...

Segment 1: How was the game played? Some subtle trends that kinda surprised us...

  1. Death of a Controversy- Impact of the Block/Charge Rule
  2. The Ball Screen Revolution Has Been Televised (Charts 1 and 2)
  3. A Tale of Two Portals- Knecht vs Timberlake

Segment 2: Team X Shouldn’t Have Been That Good/Bad (or Made That Move)

  • 1) These Teams Were Better Than We (Or One Of Us) Thought They’d Be
  • 2) These Teams Were Worse Than We (Or One Of Us) Thought They’d Be
  • 3) Early Coaching Exits...The Demise of The Class of 2017

Segment 3 and Wrap Up: Indiana: Guess We Should Talk About It

Note: The next episode of Xs and Joes will be an AMA (Ask Me Anything) episode. Stay tuned for details on how to submit questions for that episode.

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On this special edition of Xs and Joes, Bob and Mike welcome longtime Indiana fan, coach, referee, and all-around good dude Sam Story (CoachSS) to the show.

The three longtime friends and college hoops fans engage in a deep dive on how winning college basketball programs evaluate, determine, and land the players and coaches who are best for them.

In this episode ...

  • Segment 1: What traits are college coaches and recruiting evaluators looking at with prospective players? What information should fans look at as legitimate versus noise?
  • Segment 2: What are the stages and levels of recruiting? How does it translate to other positions like coaching and program/department administration?
  • Segment 3: How does a program’s overall performance, resources, image and style impact who and how they recruit? (We might just talk about IU here)
  • Wrap Up: The confluence of Quantity Theory of Money and the free movement of human assets in an unregulated marketplace: What the world looks like with the transfer portal, NIL and the retrenchment of the NCAA.

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In Episode 5, Mike and Bob take a deep dive into rivalries and the many critical roles they play in the college sports ecosystem -- not just for fans, but for coaches and administrators too.

In this episode ...

Segment 1: One, Two, Three, Four ... wait, what are we fighting for?

  • Why are there no moral absolutes in the souls of fans?
  • What are rivalries and how do they happen?
  • Why do we see prestige as a “zero sum” game?

Segment 2: The Constant Battle of Keeping Ahead (or Up With) The Joneses

  • How does the performance of a rival drive our greatest fears or confirm our greatest hopes?
  • When does a rival push a program to make substantive changes?
  • Why are rivals, oftentimes, polar opposites of one another in their style?

Segment 3: Telling what we truly think: What are Mike’s and Bob’s deep feelings and thoughts on rivals?

  • Purdue
  • Kentucky
  • Why is this healthy? We hope...

Wrap-Up: How could and have changes in conferences and throughout athletics impact functional rivalries and why these matchups need special consideration?

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In Episode 4 of Xs and Joes, Mike Wiemuth (iu-in-philly) and Bob Moats (cbobmoats) tell the origin story of The Sweet SpotTM -- what it is, how it came about, and what it means for hanging banners.

In this episode ...

Segment 1: How Two Frequent Title Winners Tried Change The Game?

  1. Get Dudes and Win- The Blended Recruiting Tracks to Titles (Slides 1 and 2)
  2. The Calipari Doctrine: Talent Over Experience Every Time (Slide 3)
  3. Coach K Becomes a Disciple of the OAD Strategy (Slide 3)

Segment 2: What Did Blended Tracks Look Like During the OAD Transition?

  1. Butler, VCU, and Wichita State- Mid Major Breakthroughs
  2. Purdue- The Baby Boilers, Effective Players, then a Quest for Higher Level Talent
  3. Indiana- A Total Rebuild, A Movement and A Rapid Decline

Segment 3: What Were The Consequences of The Heavy OAD Teams?

  1. 2016 and 2017- How Villanova and UNC were different (Slide 4)
  2. Two Tracks and the Baby Blue Utopian Spot
  3. The Sweet Spot of The Highest Level of Talented Players Staying For Multiple Years (Slides 5-10)

Epilogue: Dean Wormer Talks with Cal and Coach K (Slide 11)

Get the slides here: https://www.assemblycall.com/p/xj4

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In Episode 3 of Xs and Joes, Mike Wiemuth (iu-in-philly) and Bob Moats (cbobmoats) dive into what makes for good roster construction and analyze a few of this season's rosters from across the country.

In this episode ...

Segment 1: A High Performing Roster: A simple yet very difficult thing to do.

1) Follow the Shoe/Follow the Gourd: How do we, oftentimes, miss the point of Rankin/Bass by thinking that “misfits” have clear, binary paths?

2) The Sweet Spot Performance Curve: Why are OADs better than most other freshmen but are, usually, not as good as Sweet Spot Upperclassmen? (Charts)

3) The only thing that matters...is it working? Can the Good, the Bad and the Ugly basically be the same thing?

Segment 2: Model Rosters: Who they are and how are they performing

1) UConn: Could they be the last to “do it this way”? What the model program actually looks like. (Team Sheets)

2) Kentucky: Is this your dad’s UK team? How shooting has changed some things in Lexington.

3) Michigan State: Can you blame players for “effort” or is there shared responsibility here? The parts can be greater than the sum.

Segment 3: Misfit Rosters: What are they trying to do and how are they doing it?

1) Purdue: Can a true system-scoring-based team actually achieve at the highest level? Just how much can you exponentially increase the sum of the parts.

2) Houston: Will they continue to stifle in the toughest conference in D1? Small ball and lockdown faces a great overall test.

3) Indiana: Do they have what it takes to get somewhere? Is the gun loaded or do they need a shovel?

Segment 4: Results

You will not win a National Title, a Conference Title or even gain a tournament berth in the first half of the season, but you certainly can lose one. Where do you need to be at the end?

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In Episode 2 of Xs and Joes, Mike Wiemuth (iu-in-philly) and Bob Moats (cbobmoats) dive into what really creates momentum -- and possibly even stability -- for new coaches.

As usual, when you take a peek under the hood, the factors lead that lead to success or failure may not quite be what you assume.

In this episode ...

Segment One: There are very few happy endings for college coaches

  1. How do Mob Movies (Godfather and Scorsese Trilogy) help explain eventual outcomes for college coaches?
  2. Job Stability in Coaching: An Oxymoron (Chart)
  3. Convening the College of the Cardinals and Getting to White Smoke: Crean to Woodson

Segment Two: The Honeymoon Phase- What Are Danger Signs A Program May Need A Divorce Lawyer Sooner Rather Than Later?

  1. Getting The Right Pieces In Place- Assistant Coaches and the First Three Classes
  2. Get Kids Then Win Over Fans- What Role Does Style of Play Play
  3. Can Early Winning Cause Problems Later On?

Segment Three: Your Chipstack- What does your stake look like?

  • All Programs Are Not Created Equally- Some Places Are Higher Risk/Higher Reward
  • Whiffs and Losses- Keeping Fans Engaged During The Transition
  • The Payoff aka The Extension Season- What Does It Look Like?

Segment Four: The Crown Lies Uneasy on the Heads of Mob Bosses and College Coaches: If You Think Getting To The Top Was Tough...Try Staying There

To view the visuals used in this episode, click here to download the PDF. (Images arranged in order of how they are displayed and discussed in the episode.)

URL: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jtVnG5B6O4xINOkNTTX9Q8YM4m8lJr5H/view?usp=sharing

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In Episode 1 of Xs and Joes, Mike and Bob provide the backstory on their decades-long research project and conversation trying to identify what it takes to build a winner in college basketball. Then they jump right into exploring one of the Big Questions they've been wrestling with since 1996.

Here's the outline for the episode:

Segment One: The Conversation at 7th and Washington that launched the primary question.

1) Dec. 7th, 1996...A Date That Lives In Infamy.

2) Comparing the two teams

3) The Initial Findings: Talent does matter, and IU was quite talented in their heyday

Segment Two: The Hoosiers Mythos: The movie is not a documentary.

1) Mike's Process: How Excel aggregated the paradigm?

2) Elements of Winning Programs: Two Good Examples and Butler.

3) "Convincing" the Barbershop

Segment Three: Is talent enough?

1) 2015: Wisconsin Saves the 1976 Legacy

2) The Tobacco Road Scrolls: Dean Smith on System vs Flexible Coaching

3) What this means for IU right now? Can Woodson get "buy in"?

Segment Four: 1996-97 Season Epilogue

1) A Trip to Tobacco Road, A Disaster, and An Open Practice: recognizing just how special the sauce has to be.

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X's and Joe's - Welcome to X's and Joe's
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12/08/23 • 5 min

In this short trailer, you'll get a taste for what X's and Joe's, hosted by Mike Wiemuth (iu-in-philly) and Bob Moats (cbobmoats), is all about.

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X's and Joe's - [09] Transfer Portal: The Tip of the Iceberg
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04/30/24 • 91 min

On this edition of Xs & Joes, Bob and Mike turn their attention to the transfer portal. They discuss some misconceptions and myths, how it’s impacting the Sweet Spot, what we’re learning about the best way to balance portal recruiting and high school recruiting, and much more.

Segment 1: Why Would a Kid Want to Leave “My School”?

  1. Misconceptions and Myths- Things Aren’t Always What They Appear To Be
  2. Current State of The Portal in Summer 2024- Overviews of Where Things Are
  3. Applying Metrics to Players To Estimate Impact- We’re Going to Talk BPM (Slides 1-2)
  4. And more.

Segment 2: What are some of the early findings with the Portal?

  1. How is The Portal impacting the “Sweet Spot”? (Slides 3-4)
  2. When is The Portal a proactive choice or a reactive decision? (Slide 5)
  3. What is the best path for an incoming coach? (Slide 5)

Segment 3 and Wrap Up

  • Summer Deeper Digs: How Can You Help?
  • Plus, More Fun Stuff Coming...

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How many episodes does X's and Joe's have?

X's and Joe's currently has 22 episodes available.

What topics does X's and Joe's cover?

The podcast is about Ncaa Basketball, Basketball, College Sports, College Basketball, Podcasts and Sports.

What is the most popular episode on X's and Joe's?

The episode title '[08] You Take the Wheel: Ask Us Anything' is the most popular.

What is the average episode length on X's and Joe's?

The average episode length on X's and Joe's is 100 minutes.

How often are episodes of X's and Joe's released?

Episodes of X's and Joe's are typically released every 15 days.

When was the first episode of X's and Joe's?

The first episode of X's and Joe's was released on Dec 8, 2023.

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