
25. Miles Sibley, Founder of Patient Experience Library
03/20/22 • 46 min
'Whose Shoes' looks at issues from different perspectives. But what weight, do those perspectives have? Lived experience, learned experience?
Is your version of what happened a ‘medical report’, regarded as evidence, but my version just anecdotal, a ‘patient story’?
What is regarded as admissible or inadmissible evidence?
Miles Sibley is editor of Patient Experience Library and fab weekly newsletters and a quarterly magazine, finding practical ways to bring patient experience to the fore and share best practice
Huge synergy with my Whose Shoes work - ensuring patient experience is taken seriously and people know how to act on it
Huge potential! I ‘m hoping this will be one of the most influential ‘Wild Card’ podcasts
Lemon lightbulbs 🍋💡🍋:
- There a 100% evidence base for medical practice, but no real evidence base for patient experience
- 70,000+ documents in the Patient Experience Library!
- All too often, patient stories are lost /not given due attention
- How can we make this vital information more accessible and usable for healthcare professionals?
- We need knowledge translation. It‘s no use just dumping piles of patient stories on busy healthcare professionals
- Statistics are seen as hard evidence. We need parity of esteem for quantitative and qualitative evidence
- Important to develop analytical tools
- On the clinical side, NHS brilliant at helping people learn. Evidence based.
- We need similar learning infrastructure and evidence base for patient experience
- The ‘Inadmissible evidence’ report, by Miles Sibley, is BRILLIANT. Let’s make patient experience admissible!
- Language is key. Patient ‘stories’. Medical ‘reports’.
- When clinicians say something is wrong, it's an ‘incident report’
- When a patient says something is wrong, it’s a ‘complaint’
- First do no harm. But harm is done when patient stories are not seen as important; when people are not listened to
- The GP says “Tell me, what is the matter?” Until you listen, you can’t possibly know what the problem is
- Something goes wrong between the individual clinician and when we get to the organisational/ system level
- Multiple healthcare disasters show the importance of listening to people and #WMTY
- How can NHS be BOTH evidence based and patient-centred?
- This can’t happen until listening to patients holds higher status
- Patient Experience Library is gathering the evidence and analysing it
- Evidence needs to be up-to-date - it’s no good hearing what happened a year ago
- Whose Shoes workshops collect immediate feedback - what is important now!
- Health inequalities - central to quality improvement work! Needs to be everyone’s job.
- National Voices, Care Opinion, Joanne Hughes... a lot of people are doing fantastic work!
- Connect!
- “Nobody’s patient”. Incredibly powerful title for our #WhoseShoes project. People falling through gaps in the system
- Same mistakes around patient safety happening over and over. Must break the cycle
- Look after the staff, they ’ll look after the patients
- ‘Small’ complaints (e.g car parking) might run much deeper. Listen.
- When Sir Simon Stevens stood down as NHS CEO, his No.1 message: LISTEN to patients!
Further resources
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'Whose Shoes' looks at issues from different perspectives. But what weight, do those perspectives have? Lived experience, learned experience?
Is your version of what happened a ‘medical report’, regarded as evidence, but my version just anecdotal, a ‘patient story’?
What is regarded as admissible or inadmissible evidence?
Miles Sibley is editor of Patient Experience Library and fab weekly newsletters and a quarterly magazine, finding practical ways to bring patient experience to the fore and share best practice
Huge synergy with my Whose Shoes work - ensuring patient experience is taken seriously and people know how to act on it
Huge potential! I ‘m hoping this will be one of the most influential ‘Wild Card’ podcasts
Lemon lightbulbs 🍋💡🍋:
- There a 100% evidence base for medical practice, but no real evidence base for patient experience
- 70,000+ documents in the Patient Experience Library!
- All too often, patient stories are lost /not given due attention
- How can we make this vital information more accessible and usable for healthcare professionals?
- We need knowledge translation. It‘s no use just dumping piles of patient stories on busy healthcare professionals
- Statistics are seen as hard evidence. We need parity of esteem for quantitative and qualitative evidence
- Important to develop analytical tools
- On the clinical side, NHS brilliant at helping people learn. Evidence based.
- We need similar learning infrastructure and evidence base for patient experience
- The ‘Inadmissible evidence’ report, by Miles Sibley, is BRILLIANT. Let’s make patient experience admissible!
- Language is key. Patient ‘stories’. Medical ‘reports’.
- When clinicians say something is wrong, it's an ‘incident report’
- When a patient says something is wrong, it’s a ‘complaint’
- First do no harm. But harm is done when patient stories are not seen as important; when people are not listened to
- The GP says “Tell me, what is the matter?” Until you listen, you can’t possibly know what the problem is
- Something goes wrong between the individual clinician and when we get to the organisational/ system level
- Multiple healthcare disasters show the importance of listening to people and #WMTY
- How can NHS be BOTH evidence based and patient-centred?
- This can’t happen until listening to patients holds higher status
- Patient Experience Library is gathering the evidence and analysing it
- Evidence needs to be up-to-date - it’s no good hearing what happened a year ago
- Whose Shoes workshops collect immediate feedback - what is important now!
- Health inequalities - central to quality improvement work! Needs to be everyone’s job.
- National Voices, Care Opinion, Joanne Hughes... a lot of people are doing fantastic work!
- Connect!
- “Nobody’s patient”. Incredibly powerful title for our #WhoseShoes project. People falling through gaps in the system
- Same mistakes around patient safety happening over and over. Must break the cycle
- Look after the staff, they ’ll look after the patients
- ‘Small’ complaints (e.g car parking) might run much deeper. Listen.
- When Sir Simon Stevens stood down as NHS CEO, his No.1 message: LISTEN to patients!
Further resources
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Please recommend 'Wild Card - Whose Shoes' to others who enjoy hearing passionate people talk about their experiences of improving health care.
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24. Tribute to Mum, @Gills_Mum - 100th birthday!
Today would have been my Mum’s 100th birthday. Wow!
For those of you who used to enjoy tweeting with her @GIlls_Mum, this is a bit of a trip down memory lane.
A bit of a self-indulgence, getting a chance to chat about Mum, what made her tick, some snippets from our recorded conversations together ... and a String Quartet!
We dip in and out of health care - in the shoes of someone who really didn't want to go there (care plans, advance care planning and all that STUFF) and just want to be left alone to get on with life, worry about whether to have Prosecco or champagne for her party and play Scrabble. #ProseccoGate.
I'll be back on the case with some living podcast guests very soon. I recorded a great one yesterday! :)
"Dying at 95 was not in Mum’s game plan. Her mum, my wonderfully independent, quirky grandma, lived to 104, living in her own home until she was 100.
I think Mum thought 'that is the way we do things around here'. "
#cancer #breastcancer #independence #FiercelyIndependent #OfftheScaleOfIndependent !
Mum’s lemon lightbulbs 🍋💡🍋
- Celebrate! You never know what life has around the corner!
- Life is not a competition – just make the most of what you have.
- Some people just don’t do ‘stuff’ – let people be who they want to be
- A good death - leads to a good bereavement
- When will we ever learn that war is not the answer ...
- Record family memories while you have the chance - spoken voice and video make wonderful memories!
- An elephant in the room ... literally. Treasure the things that have true value.
- Twitter friends ...can get you out of hospital! #FreeGillsMum!
- Don’t keep things ‘for best’ ... and end up never using them!
- Value your education – not everyone gets the chance
- If you don’t want your children to know your secrets ... write in shorthand!
- Integrated care – is LONG overdue! The one stop shop ... to nowhere!
- You are never to old to be / have a #ProudMum
- No more castor oil ! (symbolic of anything that is not properly evidence-based!)
- True coproduction means engaging as human beings, nurturing people and valuing their views
- If you have a hobby, talent, something you want to do, don’t wait for the ‘perfect’ circumstances - #JFDI
- Family carers can’t do it all by themselves – circles of support make like manageable
- We need to get a balance between doing things (caring) and recording what we are doing (scribbling)
- #DumpTheDaftWords! But feel free to go forth on your Batmobile!
- Special people – thank you to the health care professionals who bring hope and humanity
- Little things are the big things!
- Personalised (human) care - and continuity - matters!
- Happy 100th birthday Mum - keep sending the rainbows!
Some links you might enjoy:
Whose Shoes comes to a home care provider in Oxford
#FreeGillsMum
#CovMindTheGap
Me N' My Mum :)
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26. My acceptance speech for CBE, Lemon Class 2020, award
Yesterday, my good friend Florence Wilcock, creator of the wonderful 'The Obs Pod' podcast series which follows her life and work as an obstetrician, published a fascinating episode called 'Awards', mainly talking about the growing culture of awards in the NHS. It is thought-provoking and real - I thoroughly recommend it.
Without wanting to give too much of a 'spoiler', it includes a story that has hitherto been 'secret' - my CBE, Lemon Class 2020, award. By far, my best award ever - albeit, a little unusual.
Flo’s podcast sparked a whole mix of thoughts and reflections, from all sorts of stages of my life, so I thought I’d try and make some kind of sense of them here.
So here is my own 'Awards' podcast. And my own roll of honour of some of the people who have supported my 'Whose Shoes' journey and are very special to me.
Whether you are keen to know the nickname I had from my teacher at primary school or why I had three hands in a photo in the newspaper, I hope this episode will provide something for you.
I’m talking about awards – and specifically (clears throat) giving my acceptance speech for my CBE, Lemon Class 2020, for ‘challenging the status quo’.
Thank you, thank you.
Mentioned in the podcast
The Obs Pod: Episode 97 Awards (buzzsprout.com)
Wild Card: Episode 13: Yvonne Newbold - Newbold Hope
Wild Card: Episode 18: Nadia Leake and Rachel Collum - Family Integrated Care
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Please recommend 'Wild Card - Whose Shoes' to others who enjoy hearing passionate people talk about their experiences of improving health care.
Wild Card - Whose Shoes? - 25. Miles Sibley, Founder of Patient Experience Library
Transcript
Gill Phillips 00:11
My name is Gill Phillips and I'm the creator of Whose Shoes a popular approach to co-production. I was named as an HSJ 100 Wild Card, and want to help give a voice to others talking about their ideas and experiences. I'll be chatting with people from all sorts of different perspectives, walking in their shoes. If you are interested in the future of healthcare, and like to hear what other people think, or perhaps even contribute at some point, Whose Sh
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