
14. Alice Ladur
12/12/21 • 42 min
This is a very special podcast for me - a story I was really keen to capture as it deserves a large audience.
Today I am speaking to Dr Alice Ladur, who has used my Whose Shoes board game in her PhD project in Uganda, working with men to bring about culture change and improve maternal and the enable outcomes.
It is a very powerful story and the immediate changes and outcomes are extraordinary. There is so much scope to build on this project and save lives.
I am delighted that Alice won the Vice Chancellor's Postgraduate Research Prize, Bournemouth University. Very well deserved!
Lemon lightbulbs with Alice 🍋 💡🍋
- Alice had the vision to target men in Uganda in order to bring about culture change and improve maternity outcomes
- It is vital to ensure that pregnant/ birthing women have choice, so involvement of the partners had to be on their terms
- Careful research and planning essential in adapting the Whose Shoes approach for a new audience
- It was vital to run the pilot study to ensure that the Whose Shoes game was acceptable and accessible to Ugandan men.
- Make sure the messaging is appropriate and translate into the local language
- Experiencing what it is like as a participant helps in designing and facilitating a Whose Shoes session
- It is useful to record ‘before and after’ impressions, to help evidence the impact of the approach. Quotes are brilliant!
- By building trust, the men talked about their experiences in childbirth and realised the impact of their attitude and behaviour on their spouses. They became more concerned and caring
- Essential to understand the reality of working in a difficult political context; overcoming the political divide through coproduction
- “Maternal death knows no colour divide and has no political affiliation”
- In Uganda, it was in is essential to engage a male facilitator.
- Choosing the right male facilitator added so much- a father himself, who succeeded in breaking down stereotypes and getting the men to share experiences openly and learn from each other
- Humour helps to break down barriers! Complete strangers bonding over a board game!
- Essential to identify and dispel the misconceptions men had about maternity services. Allaying the fears!
- Better nutrition! Increasing the uptake of leafy vegetables and animal products
- Seeing real behavioural change. More understanding, more caring!
- The women felt more supported to attend antenatal care
- The board game – wise, educational and fun!
- This was highly innovative. Board games have not been used in this way in Uganda before.
- Coproduction rather than competition.
- Whose Shoes is creating safe spaces for people to reflect and share experiences and think through individual and community actions
- An article in the BMC about Whose Shoes as an educational board game to engage Ugandan men in pregnancy and childbirth
- We have only really scratched the surface here. Who can help with funding for a longer term study?
Read the early research findings here:
This is a very special podcast for me - a story I was really keen to capture as it deserves a large audience.
Today I am speaking to Dr Alice Ladur, who has used my Whose Shoes board game in her PhD project in Uganda, working with men to bring about culture change and improve maternal and the enable outcomes.
It is a very powerful story and the immediate changes and outcomes are extraordinary. There is so much scope to build on this project and save lives.
I am delighted that Alice won the Vice Chancellor's Postgraduate Research Prize, Bournemouth University. Very well deserved!
Lemon lightbulbs with Alice 🍋 💡🍋
- Alice had the vision to target men in Uganda in order to bring about culture change and improve maternity outcomes
- It is vital to ensure that pregnant/ birthing women have choice, so involvement of the partners had to be on their terms
- Careful research and planning essential in adapting the Whose Shoes approach for a new audience
- It was vital to run the pilot study to ensure that the Whose Shoes game was acceptable and accessible to Ugandan men.
- Make sure the messaging is appropriate and translate into the local language
- Experiencing what it is like as a participant helps in designing and facilitating a Whose Shoes session
- It is useful to record ‘before and after’ impressions, to help evidence the impact of the approach. Quotes are brilliant!
- By building trust, the men talked about their experiences in childbirth and realised the impact of their attitude and behaviour on their spouses. They became more concerned and caring
- Essential to understand the reality of working in a difficult political context; overcoming the political divide through coproduction
- “Maternal death knows no colour divide and has no political affiliation”
- In Uganda, it was in is essential to engage a male facilitator.
- Choosing the right male facilitator added so much- a father himself, who succeeded in breaking down stereotypes and getting the men to share experiences openly and learn from each other
- Humour helps to break down barriers! Complete strangers bonding over a board game!
- Essential to identify and dispel the misconceptions men had about maternity services. Allaying the fears!
- Better nutrition! Increasing the uptake of leafy vegetables and animal products
- Seeing real behavioural change. More understanding, more caring!
- The women felt more supported to attend antenatal care
- The board game – wise, educational and fun!
- This was highly innovative. Board games have not been used in this way in Uganda before.
- Coproduction rather than competition.
- Whose Shoes is creating safe spaces for people to reflect and share experiences and think through individual and community actions
- An article in the BMC about Whose Shoes as an educational board game to engage Ugandan men in pregnancy and childbirth
- We have only really scratched the surface here. Who can help with funding for a longer term study?
Read the early research findings here:
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13. Yvonne Newbold - founder of Newbold Hope
Today, I am talking to my good friend Yvonne Newbold, MBE , the founder of Newbold Hope. Smashing taboos and giving hope to families, reducing anxiety-led difficult and dangerous behaviours in children & young people with additional needs and disabilities.
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Please see the chapter headings! Struggling with the word count this week and we prioritised sharing links:
Yvonne’s Xmas Special - Sun 12/12/21 20.00–22.00
Newbold Hope – Support Group for Families - Our private Facebook Group For families of SEND children with Violent and Challenging Behaviour (VCB)
Newbold Hope – Community of Practice - Our private Facebook Group for professionals and other staff who work with this group of children and their families
Newbold Hope – Distressed Behaviour Information and Support - Our public Facebook Page sharing information related to difficult and dangerous behaviours in children with additional needs and disabilities. https://www.facebook.com/TheSENDVCBProject/
Newbold Hope - Our public Facebook Page sharing more general disability information https://www.facebook.com/thespecialparentshandbook/
Follow us on Twitter - @NewboldHopeVCB ; Instagram - @newbold.hope
Further info about how to reduce violent, difficult or dangerous behaviour in children with disabilities and additional needs –
Resource page of Yvonne's website, with articles and videos to support families and professionals of children with additional needs who also have extreme behaviour
Start with “Basics” or “Top Ten Videos”
Links to the research studies into the prevalence of violent and challenging behaviour
Physical aggression in children and adolescents with autism spectrum disorders. Micah O Mazurek et al (2013) Thompson Centre, University of Missouri
G. Crotty, O. Doody, R. Lyons, (2014)
Facebook Community Accelerator Programme – UK Cohort
Jo Capel , Solo Female Vanlife UK
Iolo Edwards, High Fashion Talk
Victoria Marie, Get Your Belly Out
Jaidee, Black Owned Economy
Neil Thompson, The Delegate Wranglers
Kelly Pickard-Smith, Women in Academia Support Group
Louise Davies, Food Teacher’s Centre UK
Nafisa Rahimi, Muslim Mamas
Claire Belkind, Family Lowdown
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15. #WildObs - Gill n #FabObs Flo - Christmas Special 2021
Welcome to WildObs – A Mash-up of 'The Obs Pod' and 'Wild Card - Whose Shoes' podcasts as a 2021 Christmas special !!
#MatExp co-founders Gill Phillips, creator of 'Whose Shoes' and my good friend #FabObs Florence Wilcock, chatting about our advent / musical adventures over the years.
🍋💡🍋 CROWDSOURCED FILMS
#MindNBody Advent videos, 2018 – perinatal mental healthCrowdsourced videos made by a diverse range of fab people who were involved in the #MatExp MindNBody project - developing new Whose Shoes resources to promote a holistic approach to perinatal mental health.
Whose Shoes - Advent 2020A diverse mix of people - NHS, community, everyone, contributing daily videos to showcase good stuff people have been doing to help others during the pandemic.
#MatExp comes to NHS Expo 2016 – ends with #MatExp RAP #MatExp the Musical
STELLER STORIES
2015-2017 Advent stories
#MatExpAdvent-ures!
Santa baby – advent story
#MatExpAdvent 2019
#MindNBody
Nobody’s Patient
The Obs Pod – episodes mentioned:
Working on a maternity unit over the festive period – Episode 36
Magic Mates - Episode 67
Chat with Jennythe M - Episode 77
‘Wild Card – Whose Shoes’ episodes mentioned:
Leanne Howlett - peer support in perinatal mental health Episode 4
Dr Terri Porrett - Fab NHS Stuff Episode 12
Dr Farzana Hussain, our Father Christmas! Episode 2
Other:
The Great Realisation | Tomfoolery
Jingle bells clip – little girl
Shine and By Your Side
Jenny the Midwife – Skin to Skin campaign
Grace Meadows
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