The inseparable link between inner work and outer change (w/ Staci Haines)
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05/07/24 • 68 min
“There's no such thing as personal change outside of a social context. You actually can't separate a person from our social context. And that is just like, well, duh, how did they ever think we could do that?”
Check out the episode page for the transcript and the full list of the resources mentioned in this episode: https://widerroots.com/8
In this conversation with Staci Haines, we dive into the intersection of personal transformation and structural social change. I appreciate Staci's commitment to holding these two aspects as inseparable - that true healing and justice require both inner work and outer change. We explore some challenging questions: How can we navigate conversations around Palestine and Gaza with our clients in a way that is grounded in compassion and truth? How do we ensure that transformational modalities don't inadvertently reinforce passivity in the face of injustice, but rather empower us to create change? What are the key distinctions between coaching and therapy, and how can we discern our realm of competency as practitioners?
Staci Haines is a pioneer in the field of politicized somatics and trauma healing. For over three decades, Staci has been dedicated to bridging personal and social transformation, guided by the belief that we cannot have one without the other. As the co-founder of generative somatics and a senior teacher at the Strozzi Institute, she brings a depth of wisdom and experience to her work supporting individuals and movements in healing trauma and embodying transformative change.
⭐ Key moments
- 02:43 - Opening
- 05:03 - Staci's roots: personal + systemic transformation
- 12:32 - The power of somatics in social change work
- 17:58 - How we're showing up for Palestine
- 27:54 - How do we move beyond individualism in healing and coaching
- 36:09 - Coaching to challenge the status quo, not to cope with It
- 39:43 - Imagining new credentialing orgs for politicized coaching/healing
- 59:25 - Staci's sources of joy
- 1:04:22 - Closing
📚 Resources & Links
- Generative somatics (organization co-founded by Staci Haines)
- Strozzi Institute (Staci Haines is a senior teacher here)
- The Politics of Trauma by Staci Haines (book)
- Just Transition Framework (zine by Movement Generation)
- Sharks in the Time of Saviors (book recommended by Staci Haines)
💬 Connect with Staci Haines
- Stacihaines.com (Staci Haines' professional website)
- Instagram @stacikhaines
🎙️ Other episodes you might like
🌲 Follow the podcast
- WiderRoots.com - Join the newsletter for more resources on personal + systemic transformation
- @WiderRootsPod - Follow the podcast on Instagram to get a peek behind the scenes
- Leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts to help others find this show
- If you’re interested in coaching with Jeremy, reach out on his coaching website
I’d love to hear how this episode resonated with you or any suggestions for future topics/guests. You can email me at [email protected].
“There's no such thing as personal change outside of a social context. You actually can't separate a person from our social context. And that is just like, well, duh, how did they ever think we could do that?”
Check out the episode page for the transcript and the full list of the resources mentioned in this episode: https://widerroots.com/8
In this conversation with Staci Haines, we dive into the intersection of personal transformation and structural social change. I appreciate Staci's commitment to holding these two aspects as inseparable - that true healing and justice require both inner work and outer change. We explore some challenging questions: How can we navigate conversations around Palestine and Gaza with our clients in a way that is grounded in compassion and truth? How do we ensure that transformational modalities don't inadvertently reinforce passivity in the face of injustice, but rather empower us to create change? What are the key distinctions between coaching and therapy, and how can we discern our realm of competency as practitioners?
Staci Haines is a pioneer in the field of politicized somatics and trauma healing. For over three decades, Staci has been dedicated to bridging personal and social transformation, guided by the belief that we cannot have one without the other. As the co-founder of generative somatics and a senior teacher at the Strozzi Institute, she brings a depth of wisdom and experience to her work supporting individuals and movements in healing trauma and embodying transformative change.
⭐ Key moments
- 02:43 - Opening
- 05:03 - Staci's roots: personal + systemic transformation
- 12:32 - The power of somatics in social change work
- 17:58 - How we're showing up for Palestine
- 27:54 - How do we move beyond individualism in healing and coaching
- 36:09 - Coaching to challenge the status quo, not to cope with It
- 39:43 - Imagining new credentialing orgs for politicized coaching/healing
- 59:25 - Staci's sources of joy
- 1:04:22 - Closing
📚 Resources & Links
- Generative somatics (organization co-founded by Staci Haines)
- Strozzi Institute (Staci Haines is a senior teacher here)
- The Politics of Trauma by Staci Haines (book)
- Just Transition Framework (zine by Movement Generation)
- Sharks in the Time of Saviors (book recommended by Staci Haines)
💬 Connect with Staci Haines
- Stacihaines.com (Staci Haines' professional website)
- Instagram @stacikhaines
🎙️ Other episodes you might like
🌲 Follow the podcast
- WiderRoots.com - Join the newsletter for more resources on personal + systemic transformation
- @WiderRootsPod - Follow the podcast on Instagram to get a peek behind the scenes
- Leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts to help others find this show
- If you’re interested in coaching with Jeremy, reach out on his coaching website
I’d love to hear how this episode resonated with you or any suggestions for future topics/guests. You can email me at [email protected].
Previous Episode
Heartbreak, Hope, & The Wisdom of Joanna Macy (w/ Jess Serrante)
“Uncertainty inherently means that possibility exists. Possibility for all sorts of things. For the darkest fantasies and fears that I have and for the most beautiful. And my life is a vote in the direction of a possibility, and I'm going to give myself to the one I want.”
Check out the episode page for the transcript and the full list of the resources mentioned in this episode: https://widerroots.com/7
In this conversation with Jess Serrante, we dive into the teachings of Joanna Macy and explore how they can support us in our work for social change. I was particularly moved by our discussion on the role of heartbreak in activism and coaching. We asked, what if more healing modalities and spiritual paths helped us get in touch with our pain for the world as a catalyst for discovering our unique contribution? Jess shares powerful insights from her new podcast, "We Are The Great Turning," (including previews of unreleased episodes!)
We also grapple with the question of hope in the face of overwhelming challenges like climate change. When despair creeps in, what can we draw upon that's more stable than the fluctuations of hope? Throughout our conversation, we touch on the importance of grounding our activism in our love for the world, and how Joanna's teachings can help us do that.
Jess Serrante is a dear friend of mine and a longtime climate activist who has worked with groups like Greenpeace, Rainforest Action Network, and Sunrise Movement. She’s a coach, facilitator, and now a podcaster!
Subscribe to We Are The Great Turning on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Pocket Casts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Key moments
- 03:02 - The dream Joanna & Jess had for this project
- 15:39 - Heartbreak and honoring our pain for the world
- 23:59 - Clip from Joanna Macy: What if my pain for the world overwhelms me?
- 28:58 - Clip from Joanna Macy: Our pain is sacred
- 35:34 - Heartbreak guiding us to our calling
- 44:25 - Examining Hope (and other places to find our motivation)
- 53:36 - Clip from Joanna Macy: Whistling in the dark to cheer ourselves up
- 1:02:51 - Jess' sources of nourishment
- 1:04:46 - Closing
Resources & Links
- We Are The Great Turning Podcast website
- Active Hope by Joanna Macy (book)
- The Work That Reconnects
- Video of Joanna Macy: “The knife edge of uncertainty”
- Parable of The Sower by Octavia Butler (book)
- Rebecca Solnit quote: “Hope is not a lottery ticket you can sit on the sofa and clutch, feeling lucky. It is an axe you break down doors with in an emergency"
Connect with Jess
- Coaching website: JessSerrante.com
- Instagram: @jess_serrante
Follow Wider Roots
- WiderRoots.com - Join the newsletter for more resources on personal + systemic transformation
Next Episode
What’s the role of the coaching industry in collective liberation? (w/ Andréa Ranae)
“My invitation is just to let ourselves feel the pain. That we don't have to have the shame on top of it. It’s painful to know that I have contributed to the harm of another person and that I had no idea. I don't have to hold shame about it. I can grieve that.”
Check out the episode page for the transcript and the full list of the resources mentioned in this episode: https://widerroots.com/9
In this conversation, Andréa Ranae and I explore some juicy questions: How has the coaching industry's engagement with social justice evolved over the past 8 years? What does it look like for coaches to recognize our collective power to shape the industry?
Andréa shares stories of the breakthroughs and challenges she's witnessed as her students become politicized. We discuss the importance of taking collective responsibility as coaches and healers. We also dig into the role of shame, and how it can serve as a wake-up call but shouldn't keep us stuck.
Andréa Ranae is a coach, facilitator, and singer-songwriter who has dedicated her life to exploring how we can live, work, and relate in ways that contribute to impactful social change.
⭐ In this episode
- How has the coaching industry evolved in its engagement with social justice over the last eight years?
- What were some of the key concepts and frameworks Andréa needed to introduce to coaches who were new to social justice?
- What breakthroughs have coaches experienced as they became more politicized through her teachings?
- How can coaches use their collective power to shape the industry and create systemic change?
- What questions can politicized coaches ask themselves to work toward collective liberation?
- How can shame serve as an indicator of change, and what role does it play in keeping systems of domination in place?
📚 Resources & Links
- Coaching as Activism (Andréa Ranae's program)
- Article: "Why the Self-Help Industry Isn't Changing the World" by Andréa Ranae
- Article: "Why the Self-Help Industry Won't Change the World" (follow up)
- The Combahee River Collective (organization)
- Sasha Heron (public figure, death doula, and ancestral healing practitioner)
- "Love Poems" by Nikki Giovanni (book)
💬 Connect with Andréa Ranae
- Andréa Ranae's main Instagram: @AndreaRanaeJ
- Andréa Ranae's website: andrearanae.com
- Andréa Ranae's music Instagram: @DRElikeSade
🌲 Follow the podcast
- WiderRoots.com - Join the newsletter for more resources on personal + systemic transformation
- @WiderRootsPod - Follow the podcast on Instagram to get a peek behind the scenes
- Connect with Jeremy on his coaching website
I’d love to hear how this episode resonated with you or any suggestions for future topics/guests. You can email me at [email protected].
Wider Roots - The inseparable link between inner work and outer change (w/ Staci Haines)
Transcript
There's no such thing as personal change outside of a social context. You actually can't separate a person from our social context. And that is just like, duh, how did they ever think we could do that? And that social context is, based on power over. And what we're committed to at whatever level we're working is transforming all of that to a social and economic conditions that are based on power with each other, but also the planet.
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