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Wider Roots - Bridging Healing and Activism (w/ Noëlle Janka)

Bridging Healing and Activism (w/ Noëlle Janka)

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03/12/24 • 40 min

Wider Roots

“Healing doesn't look like getting back to the way things were before, the way things were before made you sick.”

Noëlle Janka is a politicized career and healing coach dedicated to supporting social change leaders. For the past decade, she has brought together her personal experience navigating chronic illness with her passion for social justice and transforming systems of oppression. Noëlle recently published her book, Rebel Healing: Transforming Ourselves and the Systems that Make Us Sick.

In this conversation, Noëlle shares concrete ways coaches can support social change leaders to reconnect with their bodies, intuition, and a sense of interconnectedness. We explore how coaching can help prevent burnout by focusing not just on doing more, but on what needs to stop. And Noëlle opens up about embracing her role as a healer within social movements and how she navigates the tension between one-on-one work and large-scale transformation.

Check out the episode page for the transcript and the full list of the resources mentioned in this episode: https://widerroots.com/4

Key moments

  • 02:04 - The Root Cause: What inspired you to write Rebel Healing?
  • 06:41 - Doing work for justice with a more regulated nervous system
  • 13:45 - Preventing burnout: Coaching can be about doing less, not more
  • 17:23 - Healing: 30% repair, 70% transformation
  • 21:51 - Serving 1-on-1: Embracing the role of healer within social movements
  • 28:28 - Coaching Technique: Reconnecting with body wisdom and intuition in coaching
  • 34:25 - Noëlle's sources of inspiration
  • 36:52 - Closing

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“Healing doesn't look like getting back to the way things were before, the way things were before made you sick.”

Noëlle Janka is a politicized career and healing coach dedicated to supporting social change leaders. For the past decade, she has brought together her personal experience navigating chronic illness with her passion for social justice and transforming systems of oppression. Noëlle recently published her book, Rebel Healing: Transforming Ourselves and the Systems that Make Us Sick.

In this conversation, Noëlle shares concrete ways coaches can support social change leaders to reconnect with their bodies, intuition, and a sense of interconnectedness. We explore how coaching can help prevent burnout by focusing not just on doing more, but on what needs to stop. And Noëlle opens up about embracing her role as a healer within social movements and how she navigates the tension between one-on-one work and large-scale transformation.

Check out the episode page for the transcript and the full list of the resources mentioned in this episode: https://widerroots.com/4

Key moments

  • 02:04 - The Root Cause: What inspired you to write Rebel Healing?
  • 06:41 - Doing work for justice with a more regulated nervous system
  • 13:45 - Preventing burnout: Coaching can be about doing less, not more
  • 17:23 - Healing: 30% repair, 70% transformation
  • 21:51 - Serving 1-on-1: Embracing the role of healer within social movements
  • 28:28 - Coaching Technique: Reconnecting with body wisdom and intuition in coaching
  • 34:25 - Noëlle's sources of inspiration
  • 36:52 - Closing

Resources & Links


Connect with Noëlle


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I’d love to hear how this episode resonated with you or any suggestions for future topics/guests. You can email me at

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Check out the episode page for the transcript and the full list of the resources mentioned in this episode: https://widerroots.com/3

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Check out the episode page for the transcript and a full list of the resources mentioned in this episode: https://widerroots.com/5

Today’s episode is with Kazu Haga, a nonviolence trainer in the lineage of Dr. King, based in Oakland who's been involved in social change movements since he was 17. He leads trainings for youth, incarcerated populations, and activists. He's the author of Healing Resistance: A Radically Different Response to Harm.

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  • 26:07 - Allowing messiness as we learn to hold conflict
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Wider Roots - Bridging Healing and Activism (w/ Noëlle Janka)

Transcript

Noëlle Janka

And she was like, the river is filled drop by drop. Do not underestimate the power of doing individual work.

Jeremy Blanchard

Welcome to the Wider Roots podcast. A show about how we can use the power of coaching and personal transformation to help create the world. We most want to live in. I'm your host, Jeremy Blanchard and today's episode is with my good friend Noëlle. Jenka. She's a politicized

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