
The psychology of oppression and healthy relationships with nature, others and ourselves with Dr. Melanie Joy, author & psychologist
01/11/23 • 50 min
In today’s episode I’m chatting with Dr. Melanie Joy, a Harvard-educated psychologist specialising in relationships, communication, and social transformation. She’s the author of several books, including the bestselling Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows. She’s also the Founding President of Beyond Carnism, an organisation working to expose and transform carnism, the invisible belief system that conditions people to eat certain animals.
Want to dive deeper?
- Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows https://www.wob.com/en-gb/books/melanie-joy-melanie-joy/why-we-love-dogs-eat-pigs-and-wear-cows/9781590035016
- Getting Relationships Right - https://www.wob.com/en-gb/books/melanie-joy/getting-relationships-right/9780369356604
- Melanie’s other books - https://www.melaniejoy.org/books
- Melanie’s podcast ‘Just Beings’ - https://www.instagram.com/justbeingspod/
- Beyond Carnism - https://carnism.org/
- Cultivate healthy connections in your life, find your community (in person or online)
- Be kind to yourself, ask yourself every day ‘do I feel in balance?’
- Formula for healthy relating: practice integrity + honour dignity = connection and security
Melanie’s book recommendations
- Who Cares Wins by Lily Cole - https://www.wob.com/en-gb/books/lily-cole/who-cares-wins/9780241309148
- Books by Thich Nhat Hanh - https://www.wob.com/en-gb/category/all?search=thich%20nhat%20hanh
- Us by Terrence Real - https://www.waterstones.com/book/us/terrence-real/9781529906721
- Animal Liberation by Peter Singer - https://www.wob.com/en-gb/books/peter-singer/animal-liberation/9781847923844
- A More Just Future by Dolly Chugh - https://www.wob.com/en-gb/books/dolly-chugh/more-just-future/9781982157609
Little links
- Dr. Melanie Joy on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/drmelaniejoy/
- Beyond Carnism on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/beyondcarnism/
- Why We Care on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/whywecarepodcast/
- Tiphaine on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/tiphainemarie_/
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In today’s episode I’m chatting with Dr. Melanie Joy, a Harvard-educated psychologist specialising in relationships, communication, and social transformation. She’s the author of several books, including the bestselling Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows. She’s also the Founding President of Beyond Carnism, an organisation working to expose and transform carnism, the invisible belief system that conditions people to eat certain animals.
Want to dive deeper?
- Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows https://www.wob.com/en-gb/books/melanie-joy-melanie-joy/why-we-love-dogs-eat-pigs-and-wear-cows/9781590035016
- Getting Relationships Right - https://www.wob.com/en-gb/books/melanie-joy/getting-relationships-right/9780369356604
- Melanie’s other books - https://www.melaniejoy.org/books
- Melanie’s podcast ‘Just Beings’ - https://www.instagram.com/justbeingspod/
- Beyond Carnism - https://carnism.org/
- Cultivate healthy connections in your life, find your community (in person or online)
- Be kind to yourself, ask yourself every day ‘do I feel in balance?’
- Formula for healthy relating: practice integrity + honour dignity = connection and security
Melanie’s book recommendations
- Who Cares Wins by Lily Cole - https://www.wob.com/en-gb/books/lily-cole/who-cares-wins/9780241309148
- Books by Thich Nhat Hanh - https://www.wob.com/en-gb/category/all?search=thich%20nhat%20hanh
- Us by Terrence Real - https://www.waterstones.com/book/us/terrence-real/9781529906721
- Animal Liberation by Peter Singer - https://www.wob.com/en-gb/books/peter-singer/animal-liberation/9781847923844
- A More Just Future by Dolly Chugh - https://www.wob.com/en-gb/books/dolly-chugh/more-just-future/9781982157609
Little links
- Dr. Melanie Joy on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/drmelaniejoy/
- Beyond Carnism on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/beyondcarnism/
- Why We Care on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/whywecarepodcast/
- Tiphaine on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/tiphainemarie_/
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Seaweed magic and plastic alternatives that support biodiversity, local communities and climate with Julia Marsh, Co-founder and CEO of Sway
In today’s episode I’m chatting with Julia Marsh, the Co-founder and CEO of Sway – a California-based startup making regenerative packaging from seaweed, as an alternative to single-use thin film plastic. A few years ago, Julia and her partner Matt traveled all over the world to visit seaweed farms, explore regions most affected by plastic waste, and meet with biomaterial innovators across borders and backgrounds - with the vision of creating a truly regenerative future. They are now bringing this vision to life with Sway, by developing seaweed replacements for plastics - and have even been selected as finalists of the TOM FORD Plastic Innovation Prize, which is super exciting!
Julia and I spoke about the wonderful world of bio-based plastic alternatives (bio-based means that a material is intentionally made from substances derived from living (or once-living) organisms). She told me how Sway’s approach has the potential to positively impact biodiversity in the oceans but also the local communities on land, and the climate. She also shared her recommendation on which types of plastic alternatives to look out for or avoid when shopping in supermarkets, and how she thinks you can help address the plastic problem by bringing it up with your local businesses.
Want to dive deeper?
- Learn more about Sway: https://linktr.ee/swaythefuture
- Sway’s website: https://swaythefuture.com/
- Engage in local activism, for example: start a conversation with your local businesses on whether they could switch from plastic to paper bags
The plastic hierarchy:
Avoid single-use plastic altogether if you can. If not possible prioritise:
- Home compostable, ideally 100% bio-based plastic - look for the home compost label and investigate the percentage of bio-based content
- Industrially compostable if you have access to an industrial composting facility
- Look at reusable solutions, can it be reused or returned?
- If there’s a high likelihood that it will be recycled again, recycled plastics can be considered if none of the above are available
Julia’s book recommendation
- All We Can Save by Ayana Elizabeth Johnson: https://www.wob.com/en-gb/books/author/ayana-elizabeth-johnson
Little links
- Sway on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/swaythefuture/
- Julia on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/juliajmarsh/
- Why We Care on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/whywecarepodcast/
- Tiphaine on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/tiphainemarie_/
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Thank you for caring and sending you lots of love!
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Storytelling for a better world with Poppy Mason-Watts, Chief Impact + Growth Officer at WaterBear Network
In today’s episode, I’m chatting with Poppy Mason-Watts, one of the founding members of WaterBear Network – a streaming platform where you can watch award-winning environmental and social films and documentaries for free. The first time I heard about WaterBear, it was introduced to me as ‘free environmental Netflix’ - which I think is pretty cool!
Poppy and I spoke about the power of storytelling and how WaterBear are bridging the gap between those important stories and clear actions you can take, such as petitions you can sign or nonprofits you can support. She shared examples of the positive impact she’s seen as a result of people watching these films. One of them was when 99% of a group of students said they would be looking to work with leather alternatives after having watched Slay, a documentary about the behind-the-scenes of the fur and leather industries.
Want to dive deeper?
- WaterBear Network - https://join.waterbear.com/
- Watch Slay - https://www.waterbear.com/watch/feature/62fe1af430a9286bbf6a380d
- Happiness Spells podcast - https://www.happinessspells.com/
- Oryx and Crake by Margaret Atwood - https://www.wob.com/en-gb/books/margaret-atwood/oryx-and-crake/9781844080281
Little links
- WaterBear on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/waterbearnetwork/
- Why We Care on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/whywecarepodcast/
- Tiphaine on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/tiphainemarie_/
If you enjoyed the episode and want to help the podcast, I would be super grateful if you could leave a little review or share it with a friend who might like it.
Thank you for caring and sending you lots of love!
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