Possibility Models (ft. Jaila Simms and Zeke Smith)

On this week’s episode, hosts Tre’vell Anderson and Shar Jossell discuss trans visibility within the reality tv realm with very special guests, Grammy award nominated artist and winner of MTV’s Diddy’s Making His Band, Qing Jaila Simms and writer, comedian, and Survivor: Game Changer key player, Zeke Smith. Both reality tv pioneers discuss their experience filming on set and navigating high visibility in the real world once the cameras stopped rolling. But first, Tre’vell and Shar discuss “Possibility Models” or the first examples of queerness/transness in media that queer audiences may have related to growing up - stars like Isis King in America’s Next Top Model or Leiomy Maldonado from America’s Best Dance Crew or even children’s media like the Powerpuff Girls, Sailor Moon, and Sesame Street. And later, we hear from Bryanna, Calypso, Ney who share their personal connections with trans characters from the last 20 years, on shows like Pose, Noah’s Arc, and RuPaul’s Drag Race.

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Mentioned in the Show

To Wong Foo, Thanks For Everything! Julie Newmar

Diddy’s Making His Band

Survivor: Game Changers

Pose

Isis King

Leiomy Maldonado

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Music: Neverending Nina

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