China Trade War: A Fight With No Winners

04/24/25 • 40 min

China and the United States are locked in an unprecedented trade war, with each imposing tariffs of more than 100% on the other’s imports. On this episode of WashingtonWise, host Mike Townsend is joined by Jeffrey Kleintop, Schwab’s chief global investment strategist, for an in-depth discussion of the trade war’s implications for investors, companies, consumers, and the economies of both countries. They discuss which parts of the U.S. economy are likely to be most affected, how quickly companies can relocate production and supply lines, and whether the goal of moving manufacturing back to the United States is achievable. They also touch on how China is avoiding tariffs, the implications for Taiwan’s critically important semiconductor production, and whether there is an endgame that allows both countries to declare victory. And Jeff shares his insights on where global investors can find opportunities.

Mike also provides updates on the challenges that await Congress as lawmakers move to the next stage of crafting a massive bill of tax cuts and spending cuts, the latest on the debt ceiling deadline, and the escalating tensions between President Trump and Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell over interest rates and economic policy.

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The policy analysis provided by the Charles Schwab & Co., Inc., does not constitute and should not be interpreted as an endorsement of any political party.

Examples provided are for illustrative purposes only and not intended to be reflective of results you can expect to achieve.

Past performance is no guarantee of future results, in and the opinions presented cannot be viewed as an indicator of future performance.

Investing involves risk, including loss of principal.

Commodity-related products carry a high level of risk and are not suitable for all investors.

Diversification and asset allocation strategies do not ensure a profit and do not protect against losses in declining markets.

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Forecasts contained herein are for illustrative purposes only, may be based upon proprietary research and are developed through analysis of historical public data.

Indexes are unmanaged, do not incur management fees, costs, and expenses and cannot be invested in directly. For more information on indexes, please see Schwab.com/IndexDefinitions.

The MSCI Brazil Index is designed to measure the performance of the large and mid cap segments of the Brazilian market. The index covers about 85% of the Brazilian equity univers...

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The administration's ever-evolving trade and tariff policy has sent the markets on a wild ride not seen in two decades. In this episode of WashingtonWise, host Mike Townsend dives into what's driving the administration's tariff agenda and how the markets are responding. He also considers the broader implications for the U.S. economy, the tricky task facing the Fed, and the struggle on Capitol Hill to move forward with the president's tax agenda. Stephanie Shadel, a senior wealth manager at Schwab, joins Mike to discuss what investors can do in the face of these unprecedented challenges.

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