Underneath it All
Grizel Caminas
Underneath it All, hosted by Grizel, we introduce mental health conversations in a relatable way by using the Enneagram framework. We believe the Enneagram is a helpful tool that encourages self reflection, allows you to recognize your own differences and helps us accept the differences of others, without judgement. Through these conversations, we hope you can have a better understanding of others around you, learn to accept and fully embrace your own narrative, and to continue breaking the negative stigma that has engulfed mental health.
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Welcome to Underneath it All
Underneath it All
07/02/20 • 3 min
We often talk about these wild outdoor adventures we embark on, highlighting the highs, even the lows, but we forget to discuss how we got there in the first place.
Underneath it All, hosted by Grizel, dives deep into the stories of everyday people who have or are currently experiencing mental health difficulties and how the outdoors has influenced them. Because sometimes, what drove us to climb the highest peaks was experiencing the lowest valleys of our lives.
Through these stories, we hope you can have a better understanding of others around you, learn to accept and fully embrace your own narrative, and to continue breaking the negative stigma that has engulfed mental health.
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Underneath it All airs bi-weekly on Mondays. Listen to the first episode on July 13!
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Parabola
Underneath it All
07/13/20 • 52 min
Vera Undertow is an outdoor enthusiast who enjoys hiking 14,000 ft peaks in Colorado. They are also a person who has struggled with depression, suicidality, anxiety, and gender identity.
In the season premiere of Underneath it All, host Grizel and Vera talk about growing up where gender is assumed, the challenges that come with seeing a therapist, the negative stigma that has engulfed mental health issues, and how to move forward from different mental health crises.
Resources From This Episode:
- Follow Vera Undertow on Instagram: @veraundertow
- Underneath It All Instagram: @underneathitallpod
- Join the Underneath It All Facebook Group
- Follow Grizel on Instagram: @_grizel_
Additional Mental Health Resources:
- Looking for an online therapist? I have used betterhelp for 7 months now and it has helped me SO much. Use my discount code: GRIZEL for 10% off your first month.
- National Suicide Prevention Hotline: 1-800-273-8255
Enjoy this episode? Rate us on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen. It’ll help other people find us. You can also share this podcast with a friend. Thank you for your support!
Episodes air bi-weekly on Monday’s. Subscribe wherever you listen so you never miss an episode.
Underneath It All is produced and hosted by Grizel.
A production of Ravel Media.
Theme music is by Passiflora.
Additional Music was found by using Musicbed License.
Podcast cover artwork designed by Hailey Hirst.
"Be Alright"
Underneath it All
11/23/20 • 62 min
Underneath It All; Season 2, Episode 1
"I've never been interviewed like this. I wanted to show you all the real me. I wanted to share with you who I was and why I do the work that I do. Because for all you know, I'm just some person who's hosting a podcast about mental health stories in the outdoors. But there's a lot more to me than just my passion for storytelling. And before we dive deep into season 2, I thought it may help you , the listener, to understand why I'm so passionate about this work."
On the Season 2 premiere of Underneath it All, Grizel shares her personal mental health story with podcast host and friend, Julie Hotz. Together, they discuss the complexities of maintaining mental health wellness, experiences with medication, and why being aware of your mental health is so important.
At the end, Grizel releases new song, "Be Alright," by Passiflora available on Spotify on Monday, November 23rd.
Resources From This Episode:
- Follow Julie Hotz on Instagram: @julieahotz
- Underneath It All Instagram: @underneathitallpod
- Join the Underneath It All Facebook Group
- Follow Grizel on Instagram: @_grizel_
- For more mental health resources, check out Grizel's Patreon
Additional Mental Health Resources:
- Looking for an online therapist? I have used betterhelp for 7 months now and it has helped me SO much. Use my discount code: GRIZEL for 10% off your first month.
- National Suicide Prevention Hotline: 1-800-273-8255
Enjoy this episode? Rate us on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen. It’ll help other people find us. You can also share this podcast with a friend. Thank you for your support!
Episodes air monthly. Subscribe wherever you listen so you never miss an episode.
Underneath It All is produced and hosted by Grizel.
Theme music is by Passiflora.
Additional Music was found by using Musicbed License.
Podcast cover artwork designed by Hailey Hirst.
Undernourished
Underneath it All
08/24/20 • 46 min
Underneath It All Show Notes
Episode 4 - Undernourished: Muffy J. Davis
Hosted by Grizel
Muffy J Davis is a dyke, a Pisces, a working class femme, a writer, a person who has recovered from an eating disorder, and a long distance hiker. She wrote a book called, “Ink in Water: An Illustrated Memoir (Or, How I Kicked Anorexia’s Ass and Embraced Body Positivity).”
In Episode 4, Muffy and Grizel talk about one of the more challenging conversations in today’s society: Eating disorders and body dysmorphia. Muffy shares her personal journey of recovering from several different eating disorders, and how she fought against society’s version of being “healthy.” They also talk about different tools that can assist others who are struggling with body image and self-efficacy.
Resources From This Episode:
- Follow Muffy J Davis on Instagram: @muffyjdavis
- Check Out Muffy’s writing at her Website: Muffyjdavis.com
- Muffy’s book: Ink in Water
- Underneath It All Instagram: @underneathitallpod
- Join the Underneath It All Facebook Group
- Follow Grizel on Instagram: @_grizel_
- Looking for an online therapist? I have used Betterhelp for 7 months now and it has helped me SO much. Use my discount code: GRIZEL for 10% off your first month.
- National Suicide Prevention Hotline: 1-800-273-8255
More Resources for folks struggling with eating disorders:
- https://www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/
- https://benourished.org/
- https://www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/people-color-and-eating-disorders
- https://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(19)30572-5/fulltext
Enjoy this episode? Rate us on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen. It’ll help other people find us. You can also share this podcast with a friend. Thank you for your support!
Episodes air bi-weekly on Monday’s. Subscribe wherever you listen so you never miss an episode.
Underneath It All is produced and hosted by Grizel.
A production of Ravel Media.
Theme music is by Passiflora.
Additional Music was found by using Musicbed License.
Podcast cover artwork designed by Hailey Hirst.
"Be a Man"
Underneath it All
09/07/20 • 59 min
Underneath It All Show Notes
Episode 5 - “Be a Man”
Hosted by Grizel
Dr. Christopher Spromberg was raised in a small mill town in the beautiful PNW, but didn’t develop a relationship with the great outdoors until later in life. He recently completed his doctorate degree in clinical psychology and is now working as a psychologist in Montana, and is passionate about exploring the connection between masculinity and shame, which he wrote his dissertation on and is working towards publishing some of his findings.
And then there is Jake Kenobi, a Freelance Illustrator & Muralist working under the moniker Spring Break Jake. The goal of his work is to make the heavier parts of life feel conquerable by creating fun, low-brow art with a message.
On this episode, Grizel and the guys talk about the effects of toxic masculinity in a variety of ways--They discuss what happens biologically in the brain when men attempt to be vulnerable and why it's difficult to get men into therapy. They also discuss the global impact of toxic masculinity
Resources From This Episode:
- Follow Dr. Chris Spromber on Instagram: @amomentamile
- Follow Jake Kenobi on Instagram: @springbreak.jake
- Underneath It All Instagram: @underneathitallpod
- Join the Underneath It All Facebook Group
- Follow Grizel on Instagram: @_grizel_
- National Suicide Prevention Hotline: 1-800-273-8255
Mental Health Resources for Men:
- Brene Brown: Talks about Shame & Vulnerability
- Tough Guise: Jackson Kats
- The mask you live in: Representation Project
- Division51: Men and Masculinity
- Evryman Support group/podcast for men and partners of men.
Enjoy this episode? Rate us on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen. It’ll help other people find us. You can also share this podcast with a friend. Thank you for your support!
Episodes air bi-weekly on Monday’s. Subscribe wherever you listen so you never miss an episode.
Underneath It All is produced and hosted by Grizel.
A production of Ravel Media.
Theme music is by Passiflora.
Additional Music was found by using Musicbed License.
Podcast cover artwork designed by Hailey Hirst.
The Wild Pine: Living With Bipolar 2
Underneath it All
09/21/20 • 49 min
Underneath It All Show Notes
Episode 6 - The Wild Pine: Living with Bipolar 2
Hosted by Grizel
Laura Niblack is a metalsmith living in New England with her husband Isaac and husky, Minka. In 2016, she quit her job to start her own small business, The Wild Pine, and has been handcrafting jewelry in turquoise and silver ever since. Only two years ago, Laura was hospitalized due to her most recent finding, being diagnosed with Bipolar Type 2.
On the season finale, Laura and Grizel talk about growing up unknowingly with mental illness, experiencing a psychiatric hospital, being diagnosed with Bipolar Type 2, medication, and how nature has been a constant source of healing throughout the process.
Resources regarding Foraging responsibly:
On this episode, Laura speaks on foraging, which is a deeply complex topic rooted in Indigenous culture, and there are considerations to make with this that go beyond appropriation, in fact, many folks depend on food they forage in the present day. For more information on foraging responsibly, check out the following links:
- https://www.herbal-supplement-resource.com/ethical-foraging/
- https://wildfoods4wildlife.com/foraging-safety-ethics/foraging-ethics/
- https://thisismold.com/event/education/decolonizing-foraging-and-amplifying-indigenous-knowledge-with-i-collective#.X2kF_S-ZM6U
- https://ethical.net/sustainability/guide-to-foraging/
Resources From This Episode:
- Follow Laura on Instagram: @thewildpine
- Underneath It All Instagram: @underneathitallpod
- Join the Underneath It All Facebook Group
- Follow Grizel on Instagram: @_grizel_
- National Suicide Prevention Hotline: 1-800-273-8255
Mental Health Resources for those living with Bipolar:
- Bipolar Support
- Depression and Bipolar Support Alliance
- Finding the help you need: living with Bipolar
- National Institute of Mental Health
- Living with Bipolar Support Groups
- Books from people living with Bipolar
Resources for friends/family of person living with Bipolar:
- Living with someone with Bipolar
- How to support someone with Bipolar disorder
- Understanding Bipolar disorder
- Support groups
Enjoy this episode? Rate us on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen. It’ll help other people find us. You can also share this podcast with a friend. Thank you for your support!
Episodes air bi-weekly on Monday’s. Subscribe wherever you listen so you never miss an episode.
Underneath It All is produced and hosted by Grizel.
A production of Ravel Media.
Theme music is by Passiflora.
Additional Music was found by using Musicbed License.
Podcast cover artwork designed by Hailey Hirst.
Assigning A Negative
Underneath it All
07/27/20 • 64 min
Will Robinson, also known as Akuna is an outdoor lover and thru hiker who has hiked 3 of the longest trails in the US, which includes the Pacific Crest Trail, the Appalachian Trail, and the Continental Divide Trail, which makes him a Triple crowner of hiking.
In Episode 2, Akuna and Grizel discuss the effects of racism on Akuna’s mental health, living with PTSD, and how people with mental health challenges are often assigned a negative stereotype. They also discuss how racial injustice stems into everyday living, including his safest and happiest place-Nature.
Resources From This Episode:
- Follow Akuna on Instagram: @akunahikes
- Underneath It All Instagram: @underneathitallpod
- Join the Underneath It All Facebook Group
- Follow Grizel on Instagram: @_grizel_
Mental Health Resources for BIPOC:
- BLM: Mental Health Resources
- Black Virtual Therapy
- Therapy for Black Men
- Mental Health Resources for BIPOC
- Follow BIPOC Resources on Instagram:
- Looking for an online therapist? I have used Betterhelp for 7 months now and it has helped me SO much. Use my discount code: GRIZEL for 10% off your first month.
- National Suicide Prevention Hotline: 1-800-273-8255
Enjoy this episode? Rate us on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen. It’ll help other people find us. You can also share this podcast with a friend. Thank you for your support!
Episodes air bi-weekly on Monday’s. Subscribe wherever you listen so you never miss an episode.
Underneath It All is produced and hosted by Grizel.
A production of Ravel Media.
Theme music is by Passiflora.
Additional Music was found by using Musicbed License.
Podcast cover artwork designed by Hailey Hirst.
Family Boundaries & Holidays
Underneath it All
11/30/20 • 28 min
Underneath It All Show Notes
Season 2, Bonus Episode 1
Hosted by Grizel Caminas
In the first Bonus Episode for Underneath it All, Grizel and Lauren discuss what family boundaries look like in a time of COVID and the holiday season. They go over questions like how to communicate our mental health needs when visiting family, how to have conversations with family about not going home for the holidays, and much more.
Lauren Walther, LCSW/LCDC, currently lives in Austin, TX with her husband, baby and doggie. She works as a program director at Driftwood Recovery, which is a dual-diagnosis residential treatment center. She is particularly passionate about providing comprehensive therapy for families whose lives have been impacted by addiction.
Resources From This Episode:
- Follow Lauren Walther on Instagram: @laurenwaltherlcsw
- Underneath It All Instagram: @underneathitallpod
- Join the Underneath It All Facebook Group
- Follow Grizel on Instagram: @_grizel_
Additional Mental Health Resources:
- Looking for an online therapist? I have used betterhelp for months now and it has helped me SO much. Use my discount code: GRIZEL for 10% off your first month.
- National Suicide Prevention Hotline: 1-800-273-8255
Enjoy this episode? Rate us on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen. It’ll help other people find us. You can also share this podcast with a friend. Thank you for your support!
Bonus Episodes air Monthly. Join my Patreon as a second tier patron so you never miss a bonus episode.
Underneath It All is produced and hosted by Grizel.
Theme music is by Passiflora.
Additional Music was found by using Musicbed License.
Podcast cover artwork designed by Hailey Hirst.
Feeling Big, Feeling loss
Underneath it All
12/14/20 • 46 min
Underneath It All Show Notes
Season 2, Episode 2 - Feeling Big, Feeling Loss
Hosted by Grizel
Grief is complicated. It’s messy. It’s exhausting. And it’s SO much. But that doesnt mean we can't talk about it. On this episode, Grizel interviews Meg Yingling, who is a climber and guide based out of Estes Park, Colorado. Grizel and Meg have a vulnerable and raw conversation regarding the loss of two climbing friends, Kalley and Tom.
Meg values the playfulness of outdoor adventure, and loves to provide experiences for people of all ages, skill level, and background to access wild places. She loves practicing handstands, playing with her nieces and nephew, and wearing ridiculous bird shirts.
Resources From This Episode:
- Follow Megan Yingling on Instagram: @
- Underneath It All Instagram: @underneathitallpod
- Join the Underneath It All Facebook Group
- Follow Grizel on Instagram: @_grizel_
Grief Resources:
Additional Mental Health Resources:
- Looking for an online therapist? I have used betterhelp for months now and it has helped me SO much. Use my discount code: GRIZEL for 10% off your first month.
- National Suicide Prevention Hotline: 1-800-273-8255
Enjoy this episode? Rate us on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen. It’ll help other people find us. You can also share this podcast with a friend. Thank you for your support!
Episodes air Monthly on Monday’s. Subscribe wherever you listen so you never miss an episode.
Subscribe to my patreon to continue to support this podcast and receive bonus episodes and other mental health resources!, including our 21 day advent journal prompts for the new year!
Underneath It All is produced and hosted by Grizel.
Theme music is by Passiflora.
Additional Music was found by using Musicbed License.
Podcast cover artwork designed by Hailey Hirst.
Port in the Storm
Underneath it All
08/10/20 • 45 min
Nicole Antoinette (she/her) is obsessed with honest conversations. A writer, retreat facilitator, and host of the Real Talk Radio podcast, Nicole works to create resources and gatherings for people who crave deep, genuine connections—both with themselves and others. Offline, Nicole is an indoor kid turned long-distance hiker, and when she's not on trail you can find her living in a tiny white van named Trixie.
In Episode 3, Nicole and Grizel talk about dealing with anxiety in a capitalistic nation, living to the expectations of others instead of ourselves, and how to be kind to ourselves and others when life doesn't go the way we expect it to. They also talk about the journey of long distance hiking, and the parallels to the deeper parts of life. At the end of the episode, there is a guided meditation focused on the discovery of compassion towards self.
Resources From This Episode:
- Follow Nicole Antionette on Instagram: @nic.antionette
- Listen to Nicole Antionette’s Podcast: Real Talk Radio
- Underneath It All Instagram: @underneathitallpod
- Join the Underneath It All Facebook Group
- Follow Grizel on Instagram: @_grizel_
- Listen to Laura Edmondson's new podcast "Let Us Rest,”, along with some other tips or resources for getting rest and being kind to yourself: https://open.spotify.com/show/3HmenVVq6GB8idHBzpSUKA?si=9mp3c0RTTsO8sb3e1Q7TFw
- Looking for an online therapist? I have used Betterhelp for 7 months now and it has helped me SO much. Use my discount code: GRIZEL for 10% off your first month.
- National Suicide Prevention Hotline: 1-800-273-8255
Enjoy this episode? Rate us on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen. It’ll help other people find us. You can also share this podcast with a friend. Thank you for your support!
Episodes air bi-weekly on Monday’s. Subscribe wherever you listen so you never miss an episode.
Underneath It All is produced and hosted by Grizel.
A production of Ravel Media.
Theme music is by Passiflora.
Additional Music was found by using Musicbed License.
Podcast cover artwork designed by Hailey Hirst.
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