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Uncommon Sense - Taste, with Irmak Karademir Hazir

Taste, with Irmak Karademir Hazir

03/24/23 • 48 min

Uncommon Sense

What makes “good” taste? Who decides? And what’s it got to do with inequality? Sociologist Irmak Karademir Hazir grew up watching women in her parents’ clothing boutique. She explains how her fascination for taste emerged from that and why talking about things like fashion, film and music is far from trivial – it’s how we distinguish ourselves from others; how we’re recognised, or dismissed.

Irmak tells Rosie and Alexis how sociologists such as Pierre Bourdieu have theorised “distinction”, showing how “highbrow” taste is decided by those with money and other kinds of capital. They also discuss the idea of the “cultural omnivore” and ask: Is what looks like broad consumption – of everything from opera to grime – just elitism in disguise?

Plus: Why are Marvel blockbusters Irmak’s “guilty pleasure”? Why is “symbolic violence” as scary as it sounds? And do we have a moral duty to be honest about our tastes?
Guest: Irmak Karademir Hazir
Hosts: Rosie Hancock, Alexis Hieu Truong
Executive Producer: Alice Bloch
Sound Engineer: David Crackles
Music: Joe Gardner
Artwork: Erin Aniker
Find more about Uncommon Sense at The Sociological Review.
Production Note: This episode was recorded shortly before the devastating earthquake in southern and central Turkey and northern and western Syria.
Episode Resources

Irmak, Rosie, Alexis and our producer Alice recommended

  • The movies of the “Marvel Cinematic Universe”
  • John Waters’ film “Hairspray”
  • Agnès Jaoui’s film “Le Goût des autres” (The Taste of Others)
  • The BBC documentary series “Signs of the Times”

From The Sociological Review

  • “Feminism After Bourdieu” – Lisa Adkins and Bev Skeggs [special issue editors]
  • “Aesthetic labour, class and taste: Mobility aspirations of middle-class women working in luxury-retail” – Bryan Boyle and Kobe De Keere
  • “Taste the Joy: Food, Family, Women and Social Media” – Smriti Singh

By Irmak Karademir Hazir

Further reading

  • “Distinction: A Social Critique of the Judgement of Taste” – Pierre Bourdieu
  • “Formations of Class & Gender: Becoming Respectable” – Bev Skeggs
  • “Reading ‘Race’ in Bourdieu? Examining Black Cultural Capital Among Black Caribbean Youth in South London” – Derron Wallace
  • “Stuart Hall: Selected Writings” – Catherine Hall and Bill Schwarz [book series editors]
  • “Cultural omnivores or culturally homeless? Exploring the shifting cultural identities of the upwardly mobile” – Sam Friedman
  • “‘Anything But Heavy Metal’: Symbolic Exclusion and Musical Dislikes” – Bethany Bryson
  • “The Culture Industry: Enlightenment as Mass Deception” – Theodor Adorno and Max Horkheimer
  • “Follow the algorithm: An exploratory investigation of music on YouTube” – Massimo Airoldi, Davide Beraldo and Alessandro Gandini

Support our work. Make a one-off or regular donation to help fund future episodes of Uncommon Sense: donorbox.org/uncommon-sense

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What makes “good” taste? Who decides? And what’s it got to do with inequality? Sociologist Irmak Karademir Hazir grew up watching women in her parents’ clothing boutique. She explains how her fascination for taste emerged from that and why talking about things like fashion, film and music is far from trivial – it’s how we distinguish ourselves from others; how we’re recognised, or dismissed.

Irmak tells Rosie and Alexis how sociologists such as Pierre Bourdieu have theorised “distinction”, showing how “highbrow” taste is decided by those with money and other kinds of capital. They also discuss the idea of the “cultural omnivore” and ask: Is what looks like broad consumption – of everything from opera to grime – just elitism in disguise?

Plus: Why are Marvel blockbusters Irmak’s “guilty pleasure”? Why is “symbolic violence” as scary as it sounds? And do we have a moral duty to be honest about our tastes?
Guest: Irmak Karademir Hazir
Hosts: Rosie Hancock, Alexis Hieu Truong
Executive Producer: Alice Bloch
Sound Engineer: David Crackles
Music: Joe Gardner
Artwork: Erin Aniker
Find more about Uncommon Sense at The Sociological Review.
Production Note: This episode was recorded shortly before the devastating earthquake in southern and central Turkey and northern and western Syria.
Episode Resources

Irmak, Rosie, Alexis and our producer Alice recommended

  • The movies of the “Marvel Cinematic Universe”
  • John Waters’ film “Hairspray”
  • Agnès Jaoui’s film “Le Goût des autres” (The Taste of Others)
  • The BBC documentary series “Signs of the Times”

From The Sociological Review

  • “Feminism After Bourdieu” – Lisa Adkins and Bev Skeggs [special issue editors]
  • “Aesthetic labour, class and taste: Mobility aspirations of middle-class women working in luxury-retail” – Bryan Boyle and Kobe De Keere
  • “Taste the Joy: Food, Family, Women and Social Media” – Smriti Singh

By Irmak Karademir Hazir

Further reading

  • “Distinction: A Social Critique of the Judgement of Taste” – Pierre Bourdieu
  • “Formations of Class & Gender: Becoming Respectable” – Bev Skeggs
  • “Reading ‘Race’ in Bourdieu? Examining Black Cultural Capital Among Black Caribbean Youth in South London” – Derron Wallace
  • “Stuart Hall: Selected Writings” – Catherine Hall and Bill Schwarz [book series editors]
  • “Cultural omnivores or culturally homeless? Exploring the shifting cultural identities of the upwardly mobile” – Sam Friedman
  • “‘Anything But Heavy Metal’: Symbolic Exclusion and Musical Dislikes” – Bethany Bryson
  • “The Culture Industry: Enlightenment as Mass Deception” – Theodor Adorno and Max Horkheimer
  • “Follow the algorithm: An exploratory investigation of music on YouTube” – Massimo Airoldi, Davide Beraldo and Alessandro Gandini

Support our work. Make a one-off or regular donation to help fund future episodes of Uncommon Sense: donorbox.org/uncommon-sense

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Listening, with Les Back

What does it mean to really listen in a society obsessed with spectacle? What’s hidden when powerful people claim to “hear” or “give voice” to others? And what’s at stake if we think that using fancy recording devices helps us to neatly capture “truth”?

Les Back – author of “The Art of Listening” – tells Alexis and Rosie why listening to society is crucial, but cautions that there’s nothing inherently superior about the hearing sense. Rather, we must “re-tune our ears to society” and listen responsibly, with care, and in doubt.

Plus: why should we think critically before accepting invitations to “trust our senses”? And why do so many sociologists also happen to be musicians?

Guest: Les Back
Hosts: Rosie Hancock, Alexis Hieu Truong
Executive Producer: Alice Bloch
Sound Engineer: David Crackles
Music: Joe Gardner
Artwork: Erin Aniker

Find more about Uncommon Sense at The Sociological Review.

Episode Resources

Les, Rosie, Alexis and our producer Alice recommended

From The Sociological Review

By Les Back

Further reading and viewing

  • “Hustlers, Beats, and Others” – Ned Polsky
  • “The Politics of Listening: Possibilities and Challenges for Democratic Life” – Leah Basel
  • “The Souls of Black Folk: Essays and Sketches” – W. E. B. Du Bois
  • “Talking Back: Thinking Feminist, Thinking Black” – bell hooks
  • “White woman listen! Black feminism and the boundaries of sisterhood” – Hazel Carby
  • “Presentation fever and podium affects” – Yasmin Gunaratnam
  • “Ear Cleaning: Notes for an Experimental Music Course” – Murray Schafer

Also, have a look at the scholarly work of Paul Gilroy and Frantz Fanon, and the music of Evelyn Glennie.

Support our work. Make a one-off or regular donation to help fund future episodes of Uncommon Sense: donorbox.org/uncommon-sense

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undefined - Breakups, with Ilana Gershon

Breakups, with Ilana Gershon

“Follow”? “Block”? “Accept”? Anthropologist Ilana Gershon joins us to reflect on breakups in both our intimate and working lives. She tells Alexis and Rosie how hearing her students’ surprising stories of using new media – supposedly a tool for connection – to end romantic entanglements led to her 2010 book “The Breakup 2.0”. She also shares insights from studying hiring in corporate America and describes how, in the febrile “new economy”, the very nature of networking and how we understand our careers have been transformed.
Ilana also celebrates Marilyn Strathern’s influential article “Cutting the Network” for challenging our assumptions about endless and easy connection. She responds to the work of sociologists Richard Sennett and Mark Granovetter, and highlights Teri Silvio’s theory of “animation” as a fruitful way of thinking about our online selves.
Plus: Rosie, Alexis and Ilana share their pop culture picks on this month’s theme, from the hit TV show “Severance” to the phenomenon of “shitposting” on Linkedin.
Guest: Ilana Gershon
Hosts: Rosie Hancock, Alexis Hieu Truong
Executive Producer: Alice Bloch
Sound Engineer: David Crackles
Music: Joe Gardner
Artwork: Erin Aniker
Find more about Uncommon Sense at The Sociological Review.
Episode Resources
Ilana, Rosie, Alexis and our producer Alice recommended

  • Dan Erickson’s TV series “Severance”
  • “shitposting” on Linkedin, as discussed by Bethan Kapur for VICE
  • The Quebec reality TV show “Occupation Double”
  • Halle Butler’s novel “The New Me”

From The Sociological Review

By Ilana Gershon

Further reading

  • “Puppets, Gods, and Brands: Theorizing the Age of Animation from Taiwan” – Teri Silvio
  • “Forms of Talk” – Erving Goffman
  • “The Corrosion of Character: The Personal Consequences of Work in the New Capitalism” – Richard Sennett
  • “The Digital Lives of Black Women in Britain” – Francesca Sobande
  • “The Strength of Weak Ties” – Mark S. Granovetter

Support our work. Make a one-off or regular donation to help fund future episodes of Uncommon Sense: donorbox.org/uncommon-sense

Uncommon Sense - Taste, with Irmak Karademir Hazir

Transcript

Alexis Hieu Truong 0:05
Hi, and welcome to Season 2 of Uncommon Sense, from The Sociological Review.
Rosie Hancock 0:10
I'm Rosie Hancock in Sydney, Australia.
Alexis Hieu Truong 0:13
And I'm Alexis Hieu Truong in Ottawa, Canada.
Rosie Hancock 0:17
This is still the place where we see the world through the eyes and ears of sociologists, taking common sense understandings of everyday concepts we like to

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