Michael Levin Λ Karl Friston Λ Chris Fields on The Meta Hard Problem, Consciousness, and Babbling

06/29/22 • 124 min

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Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal

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Karl Friston #2: https://youtu.be/SWtFU1Lit3M

Karl Friston #1: https://youtu.be/2v7LBABwZKA

Michael Levin: https://youtu.be/Z0TNfysTazc

TIMESTAMPS:

0:00:00 Introduction

00:03:20 Michael Levin answers: "What do you respect about Chris / Karl?"

00:04:45 Chris Fields answers: "What do you respect about Michael / Karl?"

00:05:45 Karl Friston answers: "What do you respect about Chris / Michael?"

00:07:46 Self organization / Autopoiesis / Why does life form?

00:12:11 How does cognition emerge from smaller parts?

00:14:18 Why do we see "things" independent from one another? Why in space / time?

00:18:40 Relationship between cognition and consciousness

00:22:03 The Meta Hard Problem

00:30:37 Why is complexity associated with "awareness"?

00:35:56 Is society one large brain, with each person acting as a neuron?

00:44:17 Duality between: Did you act on the world? Or did the world act on you?

00:51:32 Babbling, and becoming a "self"

01:11:22 "300 milliseconds" is a special unit of time for consciousness

01:15:49 Quantum Babbling

01:21:49 The difference between "randomness" and "quantum randomness"

01:30:03 The difference between "external" and "internal" are both real and illusory

01:33:41 Studying consciousness / the self and the concomitant existential dread

01:48:19 Michael Levin: "Something important goes all the way down"

01:51:12 Science starts with faith

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LINKS MENTIONED:

Curt's AMA #:3 https://youtu.be/SX9q2D6b5bc

Karl Friston #2: https://youtu.be/SWtFU1Lit3M

Karl Friston #1: https://youtu.be/2v7LBABwZKA

Michael Levin: https://youtu.be/Z0TNfysTazc

TIMESTAMPS:

0:00:00 Introduction

00:03:20 Michael Levin answers: "What do you respect about Chris / Karl?"

00:04:45 Chris Fields answers: "What do you respect about Michael / Karl?"

00:05:45 Karl Friston answers: "What do you respect about Chris / Michael?"

00:07:46 Self organization / Autopoiesis / Why does life form?

00:12:11 How does cognition emerge from smaller parts?

00:14:18 Why do we see "things" independent from one another? Why in space / time?

00:18:40 Relationship between cognition and consciousness

00:22:03 The Meta Hard Problem

00:30:37 Why is complexity associated with "awareness"?

00:35:56 Is society one large brain, with each person acting as a neuron?

00:44:17 Duality between: Did you act on the world? Or did the world act on you?

00:51:32 Babbling, and becoming a "self"

01:11:22 "300 milliseconds" is a special unit of time for consciousness

01:15:49 Quantum Babbling

01:21:49 The difference between "randomness" and "quantum randomness"

01:30:03 The difference between "external" and "internal" are both real and illusory

01:33:41 Studying consciousness / the self and the concomitant existential dread

01:48:19 Michael Levin: "Something important goes all the way down"

01:51:12 Science starts with faith

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LINKS

Karl Friston https://youtu.be/SWtFU1Lit3M

A H Almaas https://youtu.be/6JlKf1QAvXA

Diana Pasulka https://youtu.be/E5MuTHUbMUs

Generation Zed interviews Curt https://youtu.be/IjZlb2bGrgE

Crash Course on Physics https://youtu.be/e8kyvdPP8os

Jordan Peterson interviews Curt: https://youtu.be/LbZ9OxrLTVM

Carlo Rovelli https://youtu.be/r_fUPbBNmBw

Request for Greer on TOE annakramer [at] siriusdisclosure.com

The Order of Time by Carlo Rovelli https://amzn.to/3ISZYo7

The Master and His Emissary by Iain McGilchrist https://amzn.to/325VKso

Gödel Escher Bach https://amzn.to/3nipKbT

Raymond Smullyan (Curt reads) https://youtu.be/P-jh6tRh3Jw

April Fools (Ranking Each TOE) https://youtu.be/QOV1pcSOoZ4

April Fools (Announcements) https://youtu.be/a5hp-7sGo0A

Rupert Spira https://youtu.be/ocP6JSyicY0

Curt's first AMA https://youtu.be/DlxQwwmT9Ks

Curt's second AMA https://youtu.be/0sYUevp41N4

00:00:00Curt's Myers Brigg Personality Type/Psychedelics/Mass Hallucination

00:02:37Meditation/How To Learn Physics?/Rigor of the TOE Podcast/Stages of Learning

00:11:33Prepping for the Podcast/Nootropics/Fasting/Gauge Theory

00:19:20Wolfram and Pais "Blackholes"/Curt Writing a Book?/Judgemental Hidebounding Words

00:25:38How Has TOE Changed You?/Purpose of Life and Jungian Integration

00:28:32What is Time? / Pros and Cons of TOE / Sleep Deprivation

00:33:55What Microphone Do You Use? / What Do You Use to Write?

00:35:26How Quick Can You Study a "TOE"?/Violently Shaken Beliefs/What Keeps You Going?

00:40:13How Many Hours Worked Per Day/What Matters Most?/The Past Is Not Fixed

00:48:37The "Present" Is No Trifling Matter/The TOE Podcast Is Leading Somewhere

00:52:43Paranormal Experiences/SAFIRE Project/eterson Λ Kastrup

00:55:11Upcoming Guests/CE5 /Lazar Coming Up?/The Eclectic Mix of TOE

01:01:44What is a "Theolocution"/India?Trinidad?

01:08:33Burger King vs. KFC / What Question Would You Ask Yourself? / Extra Dimensions

01:11:10What Has Lue Elizondo Seen?/Curt on the Spectrum?/Constructor Theory

01:18:38Dark Night of the Soul/Steven Greer/UFOs and Religion

01:24:10Favorite Books/Ego Death/"Open Mindedness" s Not Always A Virtue

01:30:23Being Too Hard On Yourself/Self Love/"Language" Is The Problem?

01:39:36 Curt's Furrowed Brows / Verbal IQ / Guitar / Research

01:41:45 Difficulty In Leaving One's Mind / "New" Religion / Time Crystals

01:43:34 What is "ROE"/Diana Pasulka/Boris' Photoshoot @galacpic

01:51:33Remaining"True" To TOE/Eric Davis/New Subjects on TOE?

01:58:43Evidence of UFOs?/E8/Spacetime Not Fundamental/Enthymemes

02:04:25TOELive Shows/How Would Academics React To UFOs Being Real?

02:07:06Something Interesting You Learned Recently?/Never Lie/Attacking The Trunk

02:16:03If You Could Have 1 Question Answered, What Would It Be?/Frank Yang

02:18:15LanganΛWeinstein/Panic Attacks?/Salvatore Pais Pt 2

02:25:19What Were You Like In High School?/Depression/Mission In Life

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Eric Weinstein Λ Mick West on UAPs, Evidence, Skepticism, and Stigma [Theolocution]

Eric and Mick discuss UFOs and the evidence behind them.

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LINKS MENTIONED:

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Crash Course on Physics by Curt: https://youtu.be/e8kyvdPP8os

The Portal (Eric's podcast): https://www.youtube.com/EricWeinsteinPhD

The Tales From the Rabbit Hole (Mick's podcast): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tales-from-the-rabbit-hole/id1462120258

Need to Know (Ross Coulthart's podcast with Zabel): https://www.youtube.com/BryceZabel and https://needtoknow.today/

TIMESTAMPS:

00:00:00 Introduction

00:03:12 What does Mick respect about Eric?

00:04:20 What does Eric respect about Mick?

00:05:24 What does Curt respect about each

00:06:55 Skeptic vs. Debunker (Mick... which are you?)

00:09:32 Salutary role of skepticism and Eric's thoughts on Mick

00:14:53 The "woo" that's concomitant with UFO research

00:19:00 UFO research isn't a "hobby"

00:23:34 Mick's "agenda" (or non-agenda)

00:25:19 There's no convincing data on UFOs available to the public

00:30:58 The "superposition" argument: Exotic explanations that Mick entertains

00:35:03 Where is the evidence?

00:36:28 Outlying data points matter

00:40:07 Some debunkers stifle the UFO community, but not all debunkers

00:43:34 What's the disagreement between Eric and Mick

00:45:50 Mick has changed his mind about UFOs

00:50:38 CE5 and invitations to Skin Walker (would Mick / Eric go?)

00:53:26 Cattle mutilation? Remote viewing?

01:06:14 Classifying different UFO craft

01:07:31 Why are there so many sober UFO witnesses?

01:09:22 Brandon Fugal's story

01:16:46 UFOs as "technology" vs. "new physics"

01:23:37 The secret history of anti-gravity research with Lefschetz and DeWitt

01:30:58 What terrene explanations are left?

01:41:26 Eric's "sighting" in 1988...

01:44:57 The Skin Walker TV show doesn't help the stigma

01:46:30 Does Brandon have any high quality data points he's not releasing?

01:47:45 Opinions on Bob Lazar

01:48:52 The opprobrium because of stigma is too much. Most can't handle it.

01:51:45 Clearing the air: the Twitter squabble between Eric and Mick

01:54:11 The opprobrium thrown at people who have first hand accounts (continued)

01:58:46 Defending claims made without physical evidence

02:03:05 Some conspiracies are real

02:07:56 Rectifying the ridicule in ufology (from both sides)

02:21:41 What does Eric think should happen, to precipitate disclosure?

02:24:48 What does Mick think should happen, to precipitate disclosure?

02:27:21 Eric asks Curt: "What do you want to see happen?"

02:33:32 Is it so improbable we're visited? If it was us, we would visit other species.

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