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Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal - Karl Friston on the Perils of Investigations into Consciousness, Derealization, and the Free Energy Principle

Karl Friston on the Perils of Investigations into Consciousness, Derealization, and the Free Energy Principle

02/21/22 • 130 min

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LINKS MENTIONED:

-Part 1 with Karl Friston (technical): https://youtu.be/2v7LBABwZKA

TIMESTAMPS:

00:00:00 Exigent Message / Introduction

00:07:25 The Free Energy Principle's TOE explained

00:15:48 The FEP explained for physicists

00:18:24 The "external world" is dual to "you"

00:24:25 Relationship between senses and actions

00:36:25 Marginal likelihood / Model evidencing

00:54:34 Change your evidence or change your model (Repression vs. CBT)

00:58:51 An exercise to show a difference in consciousness via touching one's eye

01:03:09 Science "works" by definition of "works"!

01:12:45 Advice for those trying to understand reality

01:22:45 Dealing with derealization / spiraling mentally / depersonalization

01:34:34 Don't let the social status of having "ego death" be your lure

01:37:12 Acceptance therapy (ACT from CBT)

01:43:09 Being too much in one's head (thought loops)

01:53:09 How does Karl prevent existential crises when studying these issues?

01:56:34 The benefits of tea and smoking (yes, smoking)

01:59:28 Beta-blockers and fear extinction (Merel Kindt's groundbreaking work)

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YouTube link: https://youtu.be/SWtFU1Lit3M

This podcast may be the most important one on this channel.

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LINKS MENTIONED:

-Part 1 with Karl Friston (technical): https://youtu.be/2v7LBABwZKA

TIMESTAMPS:

00:00:00 Exigent Message / Introduction

00:07:25 The Free Energy Principle's TOE explained

00:15:48 The FEP explained for physicists

00:18:24 The "external world" is dual to "you"

00:24:25 Relationship between senses and actions

00:36:25 Marginal likelihood / Model evidencing

00:54:34 Change your evidence or change your model (Repression vs. CBT)

00:58:51 An exercise to show a difference in consciousness via touching one's eye

01:03:09 Science "works" by definition of "works"!

01:12:45 Advice for those trying to understand reality

01:22:45 Dealing with derealization / spiraling mentally / depersonalization

01:34:34 Don't let the social status of having "ego death" be your lure

01:37:12 Acceptance therapy (ACT from CBT)

01:43:09 Being too much in one's head (thought loops)

01:53:09 How does Karl prevent existential crises when studying these issues?

01:56:34 The benefits of tea and smoking (yes, smoking)

01:59:28 Beta-blockers and fear extinction (Merel Kindt's groundbreaking work)

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Just wrapped (April 2021) a documentary called Better Left Unsaid http://betterleftunsaidfilm.com on the topic of "when does the left go too far?" Visit that site if you'd like to watch it.

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undefined - Nicolas Gisin on Free Will, Quantum Gravity, Superdeterminism, and Time NOT Being an Illusion

Nicolas Gisin on Free Will, Quantum Gravity, Superdeterminism, and Time NOT Being an Illusion

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Nicolas Gisin is Professor of Physics, specializing in the foundations of quantum mechanics, at the University of Geneva. Sponsors: https://brilliant.org/TOE for 20% off. For Algo's podcast https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9IfRw1QaTglRoX0sN11AQQ and website https://www.algo.com/.

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LINKS MENTIONED:

-Quantum Chance by Nicholas Gisin (affiliate): https://amzn.to/3KPHG8x

-Sabine Hossenfelder's Superdeterminism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytyjgIyegDI

TIMESTAMPS:

00:00:00 Introduction

00:03:38 Gisin's "Quantum Chance" book is a friendly introduction to QM

00:06:36 Consciousness is outside today's physics and may always be

00:07:48 Indeterminacy is necessary but not sufficient for free will

00:09:37 Free will is necessary for "rationality" to exist

00:10:40 Free will comes FIRST in the "logical order"

00:21:39 What does mathematics have to say about free will and consciousness?

00:27:18 Intuitionism vs Constructionism

00:28:22 Classical physics is NOT deterministic

00:34:27 Does he agree with Stephen Wolfram that it's computation underlying physics?

00:36:06 Time is "thick" like molasses

00:40:21 Intuitionist mathematics and law of excluded middle

00:42:57 Graham Priest's paraconsistent logic and other forms of logic

00:49:32 A new understanding of time is needed for Quantum Gravity

00:52:55 Discrete spacetime? Perhaps not

00:53:21 Philosophy of Jules Lequier

00:55:15 On Sabine Hossenfelder's views on free will

00:58:33 Superdeterminism

01:01:52 Is indeterminacy truly necessary for free will?

01:03:39 Many Worlds is nonsense

01:05:37 Should logic be the basis of mathematics?

01:10:00 Which approach to quantum gravity does Gisin favor?

01:10:17 [Stephen Robbins] Bergson?

01:11:23 [Complex Plane @kekule6] Chomsky and denial of free will by physicists is an attempt to make evidence fit a model

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undefined - Sabine Hossenfelder Λ Bernardo Kastrup on Superdeterminism and Metaphysics [Theolocution]

Sabine Hossenfelder Λ Bernardo Kastrup on Superdeterminism and Metaphysics [Theolocution]

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/kJmBmopxc1k

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LINKS MENTIONED (soon to be titled -- give me one more day):

-Sabine Hossefelder's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/SabineHossenfelder

-Testing Superdeterminism: https://arxiv.org/abs/1401.0286 / https://arxiv.org/abs/1105.4326

-Other Superdeterminism articles: https://arxiv.org/abs/2109.02676 / https://arxiv.org/abs/2010.01327

-Decoherence article: https://arxiv.org/abs/1911.06282

-Bernardo Kastrup's website: https://www.bernardokastrup.com/

-No Go Theorem on Wigner: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41567-020-0990-x

-Making Sense of the Mental Universe

by Kastrup: http://ispcjournal.org/journals/2017-19/Kastrup_19.pdf

LINKS NOT MENTIONED BUT PERTINENT:

(Bernardo Kastrup recommends the below)

Papers indicating that physical realism is untrue and refuting classes of hidden variables theories:

-https://arxiv.org/abs/1712.01826

-https://www.nature.com/articles/nature05677

-https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1367-2630/12/12/123007/meta

-https://arxiv.org/abs/1902.05080

-https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0085-3

-https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023%2FA%3A1012682413597

-https://books.google.nl/books/about/Mindful_Universe.html?id=pArDC3K3O2UC

-http://ispcjournal.org/journals/2017-19/Kastrup_19.pdf

-https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.49.1804

-https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/9806043

-https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/9810080

-https://www.nature.com/articles/nature10119

-https://www.nature.com/articles/nphys3343

-https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1026096313729

-https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/9609002

TIMESTAMPS:

00:00:00 Introduction

00:04:16 Overview of Superdeterminism

00:08:31 Bernardo's agreements / disagreements

00:13:15 It's more promising to violate statistical independence (SI)

00:15:59 What are the hidden variables in Superdeterminism?

00:18:20 What is statistical independence? Is it a mere assumption?

00:22:41 People claim Superdeterminism isn't falsifiable, but is it?

00:31:17 Back and forth criticism and justification of proposed experiments

00:38:35 Does experiment change the outcome of what's measured?

00:41:37 Contrarian views -- should they be put forward tentatively?

00:44:57 Decoherence and the observer

00:49:22 The observer (and consciousness) is irrelevant in quantum mechanics

00:52:37 Why oppose violating statistical independence (SI)?

00:54:57 Metaphysics? Or simply trying to solve the measurement problem?

00:55:57 We don't have a good reason to depart with SI

00:59:10 Holding Sabine to higher standards than John Bell?

01:01:31 [gastronic] What is the definition of measurement / What does it mean to "look at"?

01:02:22 [Salvatore Pais] Unification of forces by means of the "Super Force"

01:05:18 [rad capsule] "Without thought, there is no science."

01:07:22 Falsifying idealism

01:11:53 Joscha Bach?

01:13:20 Notes about the upcoming Salvatore Pais interview

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