
Then & Now
UCLA Luskin Center for History and Policy
Then & Now connects past to present, using historical analysis and context to help guide us through modern issues and policy decisions. Then & Now is brought to you by the UCLA Luskin Center for History and Policy. This podcast is produced by David Myers and Roselyn Campbell, and features original music by Daniel Raijman.


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Months after the national election and despite numerous judicial decisions to the contrary, many Americans still believe the election was stolen from Donald Trump. In recent weeks various state legislatures have used the claim of voter fraud to propose new bills to change voting procedures, launching a new chapter in the long battle over the franchise in the United States. In this episode of "Then & Now," we discuss the history of voter suppression and the current state of play with election law expert, Professor Franita Tolson, Vice Dean for Academic Affairs at the USC Gould School of Law and author of the forthcoming book In Congress We Trust: Enforcing Voting Rights From the Founding Fathers to the Jim Crow Era.


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Addressing the Intersection of Homelessness & Mental Health: A Conversation with Dr. Jonathan Sherin
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02/01/21 • 37 min
A recent LATimes investigation found that about 67% of the homeless population in Los Angeles County has either a mental illness or a substance abuse disorder. Yet, Dr. Jonathan Sherin wrote in a December op-ed, mental health policies are failing those who most need services. Dr. Sherin, the director of the LA County Department of Mental Health, joins Then & Now this week to discuss this challenge. He sits down with Dr. Kirsten Moore-Sheeley and Jessica Richards, two authors of LCHP’s forthcoming report on the history of homelessness, to discuss the lack of adequate services for people experiencing homelessness, his suggestions for engaging with those reluctant to receive mental health care, and his department's approach to th multifaceted stressors of our time, from the COVID-19 pandemic to racial inequity.
This episode is the second in a multi-part series examining the history and present state of homelessness in LA County. Find the first episode here.
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04/19/23 • 45 min
In the wake of the pandemic and persistent underfunding, cultural and educational institutions in the United States today are increasingly confronted with an uncertain fate. How can they sustain growth, enfranchise new audiences, and increase diversity at a time when “the death of the humanities” looms on the horizon?
In this episode of Then & Now, Katherine E. Fleming, the president and CEO of the J. Paul Getty Trust, brings her rich experiences as historian, academic administrator, and now chief executive of a major philanthropic foundation to make sense of the problems faced by higher education and cultural institutions in the United States. Dr. Fleming talks about her academic trajectory, the paradoxical finances of American universities, and what her plans are for the Getty.

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One of the most vexing social problems in U.S. society is our country’s healthcare system, which is wracked by rising costs, inequitable access, and manifold inefficiencies. Unlike Canada or a number of European countries, the United States has never adopted a single-payer system in which the government provides health insurance to all. Instead, it has favored a range of private options alongside supplemental government programs. As a result of its size and significance, the state of California has been a laboratory for government healthcare policy, with public officials and advocates testing the virtues of various private and public healthcare programs.
In a forthcoming report for the Luskin Center, Dr. Ben Zdencanovic, along with Sara Ohannessian, Lauren Heiberg, Emiko Levings, and Emilila Fergadiotti, examine the history of healthcare policy in California, with a particular focus on Medi-Cal, the state-sponsored insurance plan introduced in 1965. In this episode of “Then & Now,” we sit down to talk to Dr. Ben Zdencanovic about the findings of this team.
Dr. Ben Zdencanovic is a Postdoctoral Associate at the UCLA Luskin Center for History and Policy. He is an historian of the United States in the world, domestic and international politics, and economic and social policy. He has a particular interest in the relationship between U.S. global power and the politics of redistribution and welfare state. His forthcoming book from Princeton University Press is titled Island of Enterprise: The End of the New Deal and the Rise of U.S. Global Power in a World of Welfare, 1940 – 1955.

Authoritarianism and Patriarchy from Ancient Egypt to the Present: A Conversation with Kara Cooney
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03/08/23 • 46 min
Recent years have witnessed a stark rise across the globe in populist leaders whose policies are implicitly, or even explicitly, authoritarian. The policies of these leaders are sometimes at odds with their populist rhetoric in that they reward the elite few at the expense of the masses. Yet this trend is not new. As far back as ancient Egypt, we see authoritarian leaders collecting and retaining wealth and power in the hands of the elite. What are the parallels between the authoritarian governments of the past and the present? How can we use the past to cast a critical eye on our own social patterns and willingness to hand over power to the few?
In this week's episode of then & now, we sit down with Professor Kara Cooney to explore how and why authoritarian, populist leaders, from ancient Egypt to the present, gain and maintain power, and seek to understand why the many so often choose to give up power to the few.
Dr. Kara Cooney is a professor of Egyptian Art and Architecture at UCLA. In her recent book, The Good Kings: Absolute Power in Ancient Egypt and the Modern World (National Geographic Press 2021), Kara turns to five ancient Egyptian pharaohs to understand why so many often give up power to the few and what it can mean for our future. Her current research in coffin reuse investigates the socioeconomic and political turmoil that plagued Late Bronze Age Egypt, ultimately affecting their funerary and burial practices. Results from this research will be published in a forthcoming volume, Recycling for Death (American University in Cairo Press).

04/22/20 • 33 min
Join a team of researchers from the UCLA Luskin Center for History and Policy as they discuss their timely new report examining California's responses to pandemics over the last 100 years. They discuss the division of power among local, state, and federal government in responding to these outbreaks, the tendency to stigmatize groups and places by naming a disease, and the divergent economic effects of pandemics “then” and “now.”

The Los Angeles Wildfires in the Age of the Pyrocene: A Conversation with Fire Scholar Stephen Pyne.
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01/29/25 • 46 min
This week’s episode of then & now is the first in a series examining one of the most powerful and destructive natural disasters in U.S. history, the Los Angeles wildfires. Joined by Professor Emeritus at Arizona State University Stephen Pyne, one of the country’s leading thinkers about fire, we discuss the history of urban fire to understand what is unfolding in Los Angeles—where lives, communities, histories, and large swaths of nature are being destroyed before our eyes. Informed by his wide-ranging perspective on fire management, Stephen situates the L.A. wildfires within a broader historical perspective. He describes the current era as the Pyrocene, the age of the Fire. He suggests that while nuisance fires have decreased, we now face dire conditions worsened by factors such as climate change, land use, and the burning of fossil fuels—all of which highlight the need for a fundamental reorganization of our lives. To conclude, he stresses the importance of avoiding the conditions that cause massive destruction, especially the burning of fossil fuels, and advocates for a thoughtful reassessment of our relationship with fire that minimizes the risk of future destructive events.
Stephen Pyne is an Emeritus Professor of Life Sciences at Arizona State University. He spent 15 seasons with the North Rim Longshots, a Grand Canyon National Park fire crew. Out of those seasons emerged a scholarly interest in the history and management of fire, with major surveys for America, Australia, Canada, Europe (including Russia), and the Earth. He has written 40 books, mostly on the history and management of wildland and rural fire, including a multi-volume fire history of the U.S. and its regions since 1960 (University of Arizona Press).
Further Reading
Human use of fire has produced an era of uncontrolled burning: Welcome to the Pyrocene
2025 Los Angeles Fires

04/27/20 • 56 min
In this special episode of Then & Now, we sit down with LA County Sheriff Alex Villanueva as he responds to our inaugural episode and gives his take on the current tensions between his office and the Board of Supervisors, and on how the past informs his perspectives and decisions.

10/11/23 • 39 min
More than half the world’s population currently lives in cities, and current estimates suggest that by 2050 nearly 7 out of every 10 people will live in urban spaces. In an increasingly crowded and urbanized world, space has become a precious commodity. As a species, we seem drawn to cities, despite their obvious disadvantages. From the ancient cities of Southeast Asia to the crowded streets of modern Los Angeles, cities offer opportunities for interactions that wouldn’t be possible in urban areas. In this episode, we sit down with Professor Monica Smith, who shares her perspective on the importance of infrastructure and shared spaces in the birth and survival of cities past and present. How do cities affect the way that we interact with the natural environment and with our fellow human beings, and how can we think creatively about shared spaces in crowded urban environments?
Dr. Monica L. Smith is a professor and Navin and Pratima Doshi Chair in Indian Studies at UCLA. She is an ancient economic historian who uses archaeological data to analyze the collective effects of routine activities through the study of food, ordinary goods, and architecture. Her current research focuses on the Indian subcontinent, a region that has produced some of the world’s earliest and most long-lived urban areas. Her most recent book was published by Viking Press in 2019, and is titled “Cities: The First 6000 Years.”

04/13/20 • 44 min
Los Angeles County, one of the largest municipal governments in the world, is overseen by a board of five elected supervisors and three countywide elected officials, including the sheriff.
In the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic, the Supervisors voted to remove LA County Sheriff Alex Villanueva from his post as head of the County's Emergency Operations Center, and tensions have only risen since. How can we make sense of the ongoing conflict between the L.A. County leaders in this moment of public health crisis? Is this unprecedented? What does history tell us about the division of power at this level of government?
The UCLA Luskin Center for History and Policy is pleased to launch its new podcast "Then & Now," featuring an informative discussion on this question with former Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky, an LCHP Senior Fellow.
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How many episodes does Then & Now have?
Then & Now currently has 130 episodes available.
What topics does Then & Now cover?
The podcast is about Los Angeles, History, Policy, Podcasts, Education, Interviews and Government.
What is the most popular episode on Then & Now?
The episode title 'How Endangered is the Right to Vote? A Conversation on the Past and Future of Voting Rights in the United States with Franita Tolson' is the most popular.
What is the average episode length on Then & Now?
The average episode length on Then & Now is 48 minutes.
How often are episodes of Then & Now released?
Episodes of Then & Now are typically released every 13 days, 21 hours.
When was the first episode of Then & Now?
The first episode of Then & Now was released on Apr 7, 2020.
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