
Poverty Emergency! With Helen Greatorex
02/17/23 • 34 min
Food banks. Fuel poverty. Heating vs Eating. Why has poverty become the new normal in the UK, accepted as “just the way it is” in one of the world’s richest countries? Stigma, says sociologist Imogen Tyler, has been part of this normalisation: it’s dehumanised some of society’s vulnerable people, devaluing lives and destroying compassion to boot.
Helen Greatorex, Chief Officer at North Lancashire Citizens Advice, tells Imogen what she’s seen working on the welfare frontline over the years. It’s a story of desperation – working families needing food and fuel help; reworked personal budgets still unable to cover essentials; people shut out from the most basic social life that makes existence bearable.
But Helen also shares a story of hope, as she describes how her CAB office is transforming how it helps people in need – and gives a rallying call to stay outraged at destitution, no matter how common it is.
Credits:
Host: Imogen Tyler
Guest: Helen Greatorex
Executive & Development Producer: Alice Bloch
Project Lead: Imogen Tyler
Project Officer: Danielle Galway
Sound Engineer: David Crackles
Music & Artwork: Bruce Bennett
Episode resources
- Changing life expectancy and why it matters An animation from Glasgow Centre for Population Health
- Danny Dorling’s work on austerity and excess deaths
- Poverty propaganda: Exploring the myths Tracey Shildrick (2018)
- Benefits broods: The cultural and political crafting of anti-welfare commonsense Tracey Jensen & Imogen Tyler (2015)
- Revolting Subjects: Social Abjection and Resistance in Neoliberal Britain Imogen Tyler (2013)
- The Violence of Austerity Vickie Cooper and David Whyte, eds. (2017)
- Crippled: austerity and the demonization of disabled people Frances Ryan (2019)
- From disability to destitution Joseph Rowntree Foundation (2022)
- The Care Manifesto : The Politics of Interdependence The Care Collective (2020)
- Bread for all : the origins of the welfare state Chris Renwick (2017)
- Good times, bad times : the welfare myth of them and us John Hills (2015)
Find extended reading lists and learn more about The Stigma Conversations at The Sociological Review
Take Action!
The Poverty Truth Network
North Lancashire Citizens Advice Bureau
Morecambe Bay foodbank
Joseph Rowntree Foundation
Food banks. Fuel poverty. Heating vs Eating. Why has poverty become the new normal in the UK, accepted as “just the way it is” in one of the world’s richest countries? Stigma, says sociologist Imogen Tyler, has been part of this normalisation: it’s dehumanised some of society’s vulnerable people, devaluing lives and destroying compassion to boot.
Helen Greatorex, Chief Officer at North Lancashire Citizens Advice, tells Imogen what she’s seen working on the welfare frontline over the years. It’s a story of desperation – working families needing food and fuel help; reworked personal budgets still unable to cover essentials; people shut out from the most basic social life that makes existence bearable.
But Helen also shares a story of hope, as she describes how her CAB office is transforming how it helps people in need – and gives a rallying call to stay outraged at destitution, no matter how common it is.
Credits:
Host: Imogen Tyler
Guest: Helen Greatorex
Executive & Development Producer: Alice Bloch
Project Lead: Imogen Tyler
Project Officer: Danielle Galway
Sound Engineer: David Crackles
Music & Artwork: Bruce Bennett
Episode resources
- Changing life expectancy and why it matters An animation from Glasgow Centre for Population Health
- Danny Dorling’s work on austerity and excess deaths
- Poverty propaganda: Exploring the myths Tracey Shildrick (2018)
- Benefits broods: The cultural and political crafting of anti-welfare commonsense Tracey Jensen & Imogen Tyler (2015)
- Revolting Subjects: Social Abjection and Resistance in Neoliberal Britain Imogen Tyler (2013)
- The Violence of Austerity Vickie Cooper and David Whyte, eds. (2017)
- Crippled: austerity and the demonization of disabled people Frances Ryan (2019)
- From disability to destitution Joseph Rowntree Foundation (2022)
- The Care Manifesto : The Politics of Interdependence The Care Collective (2020)
- Bread for all : the origins of the welfare state Chris Renwick (2017)
- Good times, bad times : the welfare myth of them and us John Hills (2015)
Find extended reading lists and learn more about The Stigma Conversations at The Sociological Review
Take Action!
The Poverty Truth Network
North Lancashire Citizens Advice Bureau
Morecambe Bay foodbank
Joseph Rowntree Foundation
Previous Episode

Tattooing and Resistance. With Alice Bloch
Stigma is nothing new. In Ancient Greece the word meant ‘tattoo’ and referred to writing on people’s skin as a means of punishment and control. Recognising that, says sociologist Imogen Tyler, is a game changer; it means we can start thinking about how stigma literally marks and divides us - and start thinking about how to resist.
Here, Imogen hears from sociologist Alice Bloch about her research with descendants of Holocaust survivors who have chosen to tattoo themselves with the numbers inked on their ancestors at Auschwitz. Such an act, she says, is about love - and resistance to stigmatisation. Alice also reflects on her work with adult children of refugees - and how stigma makes silences that weave through generations. Plus: how stigmatising undocumented migrants serves capitalism, but makes for a poorer society.
A powerful conversation about stigma and subversion, solidarity and resistance.
Read more about Alice here. Her research on descendants of Holocaust survivors and the concentration camp tattoo is funded by a British Academy/Leverhulme Trust Small Research grant in partnership with the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy.
Credits
Host: Imogen Tyler
Guest: Prof. Alice Bloch
Executive & Development Producer: Alice Bloch
Project Lead: Imogen Tyler
Project Officer: Danielle Galway
Sound Engineer: David Crackles
Music & Artwork: Bruce Bennett
Episode Resources:
By Alice Bloch and co-authors:
- How Memory Survives: Descendants of Auschwitz Survivors and the Progenic Tattoo (2022)
- Talking about the Past, Locating It in the Present: The Second Generation from Refugee Backgrounds Making Sense of Their Parents' Narratives, Narrative Gaps and Silences (2018)
- Inter-generational Transnationalism: The Impact of Refugee Backgrounds on Second Generation with Shirin Hirsch (2018)
- Living on the Margins : Undocumented Migrants in a Global Britain with Sonia McKay (2016)
Further reading :
- The Stigma Machine of the Border in Stigma: The Machinery of Inequality Imogen Tyler (2020)
- If This Is a Man Primo Levi (1959)
- The Generation of Postmemory : Writing and Visual Culture after the Holocaust Marianne Hirsch (2012)
- Lost in Translation: A Life in a New Language Eva Hoffman (2008)
- Modernity and the Holocaust Zygmunt Bauman (2000)
- The British Citizenship, Race, and Rights lectures Connected Sociologies
Find extended reading lists and learn more about The Stigma Conversations at The Sociological Review
Next Episode

Doing Anti-Racism. With Geraldine Onek and Jasmine Patel
How are racism and stigma power linked? How can education empower us to face the past and tell new stories? And why must we break historical silences? Sociologist Imogen Tyler talks to fellow activists from Lancaster Black History Group, formed after a Black Lives Matter Vigil in the city in 2020 – which few know was once the fourth largest slave trading city in the UK.
Teacher Geraldine Onek – who came to the UK as a child refugee from Sudan – describes working with schoolchildren to teach them about slavery and centre the lives of Black Lancastrians. Student Jasmine Patel describes her research, with fellow school pupils, into the city’s slavery family trees. Together, they show how facing the past is empowering - and what anti-racism means.
Note: This episode was recorded in Nov 2022, at which point The Tate had not responded to this letter described by Jasmine Patel. .
Credits
Host: Imogen Tyler
Guests: Geraldine Onek & Jasmine Patel
Executive & Development Producer: Alice Bloch
Project Lead: Imogen Tyler
Project Officer: Danielle Galway
Sound Engineer: David Crackles
Music & Artwork: Bruce Bennett
Episode resources
- Lancaster Black History Group feat. resources for schools
- The slave trade and the economic development of eighteenth-century Lancaster Melinda Elder (1992)
- Race, the Floating Signifier Stuart Hall (1997)
- Doing reparatory history: bringing ‘race’ and slavery home Catherine Hall (2018)
- Ghostly Presences, Servants and Runaways: Lancaster's Emerging Black Histories and their Memorialization 1687–1865 by Alan Rice (2020) in Britain’s Black Past ed. Gretchen Gerzina
- Freedom Seekers: Escaping from Slavery in Restoration London - Simon Newman (2022)
- The Liverpool Slave Trade, Lancaster and its Environs Melinda Elder (2007)
- A Fistful of Shells: West Africa from the Rise of the Slave Trade to the Age of Revolution Toby Green (2020)
- Slavery at Sea: Terror, Sex, and Sickness in the Middle Passage Sowande’ Mustakeem (2016)
- The Slave Ship: A Human History Marcus Rediker (2008)
- Saltwater Slavery: A Middle Passage from Africa to American Diaspora Stephanie Smallwood (2008)
- Blood Legacy: Reckoning with a Family’s Story of Slavery Alex Renton (2021)
- Sugar in the Blood: A Family's Story of Slavery and Empire Andrea Stuart (2012)
Find extended reading lists and learn more about The Stigma Conversations at The Sociological Review
Take Action!
The Slavery Family Trees project
Lancaster Black History Group
The Judges’ Lodgings Museum
International Slavery Museum
The Stigma Conversations - Poverty Emergency! With Helen Greatorex
Transcript
Welcome back to the Stigma Conversations with me, Imogen Tyler. If you're new here, you might be thinking what's left to say about stigma? Now I want to be really clear, it's great to see how many taboo busting conversations are happening today. That's the essential – life saving actually – in mental health, for example. But I think also at the same time as talking about how stigma makes us feel – how it plays with our psyches – shapes
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