
Part 1, Dr Len Necefer, Living in the Soup
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12/30/24 • 73 min
To move from 2024 into 2025, we have one guest in two episodes for you. Our guest is Dr Len Necefer. This is the first episode. We talk through life wrapped in intellect and self facing humor, 6th grade reading levels, native art and the modern retail market, an upriver bike ride, and river runs at the northern most reaches of the North American continent. Len is the “star” of his Outside TV show where he is riding his bike up the Colorado River from Mexico to Colorado. He is the founder of Natives Outdoors. He served the Obama Administration in the Dept of Energy. And Len is part of the founding crew of the Sonoran Avalanche Center. Len and I sat on top of a small mountain, on a park bench looking down on the deep desert river and ski town of Tucson, Arizona on a Sunday morning in the end of November to laugh and learn, and talk life and rivers.
GUEST
Dr Len Necefer website
Natives Outdoors
Outside TV: Running Dry
Dr Len Necefer personal IG account
Sonoran Avalanche Center IG account
RELEVANT LINKS
Bogs in collaboration with Natives Outdoors
Honold Foundation
Returning Rapids
Returning Rapids of Cataract 2021
Autopsy of a Post Reservoir River
SPONSORS
Denver Area Nissan Dealers
@nissanusa
Over It Raft Covers
@overitraftcovers
THE RIVER RADIUS
To move from 2024 into 2025, we have one guest in two episodes for you. Our guest is Dr Len Necefer. This is the first episode. We talk through life wrapped in intellect and self facing humor, 6th grade reading levels, native art and the modern retail market, an upriver bike ride, and river runs at the northern most reaches of the North American continent. Len is the “star” of his Outside TV show where he is riding his bike up the Colorado River from Mexico to Colorado. He is the founder of Natives Outdoors. He served the Obama Administration in the Dept of Energy. And Len is part of the founding crew of the Sonoran Avalanche Center. Len and I sat on top of a small mountain, on a park bench looking down on the deep desert river and ski town of Tucson, Arizona on a Sunday morning in the end of November to laugh and learn, and talk life and rivers.
GUEST
Dr Len Necefer website
Natives Outdoors
Outside TV: Running Dry
Dr Len Necefer personal IG account
Sonoran Avalanche Center IG account
RELEVANT LINKS
Bogs in collaboration with Natives Outdoors
Honold Foundation
Returning Rapids
Returning Rapids of Cataract 2021
Autopsy of a Post Reservoir River
SPONSORS
Denver Area Nissan Dealers
@nissanusa
Over It Raft Covers
@overitraftcovers
THE RIVER RADIUS
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Declaration of Rights for the Biobio River in Chile
Do rivers have rights? Should they have a set of rights that guide how they are used? In September of this year, 2024, the Biobio River in Chile was assigned a Declaration of Rights. This non binding document allows for work to be done towards making the Declaration influential and even binding at a later date. We speak with International Rivers and Malen Lebu in Chile to understand this more.
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GUESTS
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Malen Lebu
Facebook
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Declaration of Rights for the Biobio
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Part 2, Dr Len Necefer, 2025
Dr Len Necefer opens up 2025 for The River Radius. Len is the mind and perspective I wanted to welcome me and you both into this 6th season of The River Radius. We talk through the relationship of rivers and elections, of books for this year, the work and impact of Secretary of the Interior Deb Haaland, and other river and life layers. Len is the founder of Natives Outdoors, the Sonoran Avalanche Center, runs rivers, is articulate and intelligently humorous. This is the 2nd episode with Dr Len Necefer and both are some of my favorites.
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GUEST
Dr Len Necefer website
Natives Outdoors
Outside TV: Running Dry
Dr Len Necefer personal IG account
Sonoran Avalanche Center IG account
RELEVANT LINKS
Office of Indian Energy Policy and Programs
Honold Foundation
BOOKS
Surviving Autocracy by Masha Gessen
The NativesOutdoors reading list for the outdoor industry
SPONSORS
Denver Area Nissan Dealers
@nissanusa
River Management Society
2025 Symposium
@rivermgtsociety
FB River Management Society
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