The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill
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Who Killed Mars Hill?
The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill
06/22/21 • 54 min
In 2014, after more than a decade of tremendous growth and ministry, Mars Hill Church imploded with the resignation of its lead pastor, Mark Driscoll. Once a hub for those disenfranchised with cultural Christianity, Mars Hill’s characteristic “punk rock spirit” became its downfall as power, fame and spiritual trauma invaded the ministry. But how did things fall apart? Where did Mark Driscoll take a wrong turn? Who could be held responsible for the hurt and disillusionment that resulted?
In this inaugural episode of “The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill,” host Mike Cosper begins at the end, investigating the rubble of Mars Hill’s fall for answers. Meet Mark, the firebrand “cussing pastor” whose ministry of breaking conventions called men and women to transformation and whose rebellion touched a nerve with those inside and outside the church. Meet a church culture that considered relational fallout as simply part of the job. And, take a look in the mirror to ask why we keep doing this -- elevating leaders whose charisma outpaces their character.
Loaded with piercing and poignant interviews, this episode invites you to release preconceived notions about this familiar story and listen afresh to a narrative that feels painfully relevant more than a decade later.
Wonder why Christianity Today features stories like these? Stick around at the end of the episode as Kate Shellnut and Daniel Silliman discuss why talking about church culture and leadership matters. Read more at “If You See Something, Say Something” and Why We Report Bad News About Leaders.
Here is the letter presenting formal charges against Mark Driscoll from 21 former Mars Hill pastors.
Here is the letter from nine pastors who were serving in August of 2014, asking Mark Driscoll to step down from ministry and enter a restoration process.
“The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill” is a production of Christianity Today
Executive Producer: Erik Petrik
Producer, Writer, Editor, and Host: Mike Cosper
Associate Producer: Joy Beth Smith
Music, Sound Design, and Mix Engineer: Kate Siefker
Graphic Design: Bryan Todd
Social Media: Nicole Shanks
Editorial Consultant: Andrea Palpant Dilley
Editor in Chief: Timothy Dalrymple
Theme song: “Sticks and Stones” by Kings Kaleidoscope
Closing song: "Slow and Steady Wins the Race" by Pedro the Lion
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Aftermath
The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill
12/04/21 • 156 min
Five days after resigning as lead pastor of Mars Hill Church, Mark Driscoll was once again in front of a crowd—this time, a packed conference of pastors who offered him a standing ovation in support. It only took 474 days for him to announce he was planting a new church in Scottsdale, Arizona.
But while Driscoll wielded his own force of personality to get as much distance from Mars Hill as possible, life in Seattle was a different story. A confused and hurting church was displaced, hundreds of people were out of their jobs, and the fiercest critics of the church practically threw a party.
In our series finale, we follow a few of those threads, which led some people to new ministries, others to new careers, and still others out of the church altogether. We’ll revisit the legacy of Driscoll’s teaching on gender, and we’ll ask whether or not he really preached good news and freedom.
We’ll also look for the presence of Christ, working in surprising and unseen ways to bring beauty out of the ashes of what was once Mars Hill Church.
As we end 2021, we’d love to invite you to join us as we continue to try to tell stories like this. Subscriptions are a great way to do that, and we’d love if you considered us with your end-of-year giving.
“The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill” is a production of Christianity Today
Executive produced by Erik Petrik
Produced, written, and edited by Mike Cosper
Joy Beth Smith is our associate producer.
Music and sound design by Kate Siefker and Mike Cosper
Our theme song for this finale is “Resplendent” by Bill Mallonee and the Vigilantes of Love.
The closing song this week is “All My Favorite People” by Over the Rhine.
Special thanks to Ben Vandermeer
Graphic design by Bryan Todd
Social media by Kara Bettis and Morgan Lee
Editorial consulting by Andrea Palpant Dilley
CT’s Editor in Chief is Timothy Dalrymple.
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Red Sky at Morning
The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill
10/05/21 • 56 min
As success grew at Mars Hill, Mark Driscoll’s ministry dreams expanded. With the advent of the multi-site church and advances in technology, a leader could move beyond the mundanity of local place and community to spread his message far afield, fulfilling his own great commission literally to the ends of the earth. With a talented team and generous budget at his fingertips, Mark dreamed big. 50,000 church members. A New York Times bestseller. The most prominent media distribution channel on the Internet.
But when you undermine the foundations of a church, you shouldn’t be surprised when the building comes tumbling down around you. When technology removes the limits to access, you shouldn’t be surprised when it also sings the alluring call of worldly success. When you call others to deep sacrifice for your own ambitions, you begin to count the bodies under the bus.
In this episode of The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill, host Mike Cosper explores Mars Hill’s “mission accomplished” cultural moment when Mark shifted his gaze from Seattle to cities and success benchmarks beyond. With incisive journalism and compassionate engagement, Cosper paints the picture of a wounded church—sheep dispersed and isolated by technology, expendable to the mission of a shepherd gone wayward. And he asks us to consider whether our adoption of gospel-amplifying tactics has clouded our vision of its good, true and beautiful message.
“The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill” is a production of Christianity Today
Executive Producer: Erik Petrik
Producer, Writer, Editor, and Host: Mike Cosper
Additional Editing: Resonate Recordings and Matt Linder
Associate Producer: Joy Beth Smith
Music, Sound Design, and Mix Engineer: Kate Siefker
Graphic Design: Bryan Todd
Social Media: Nicole Shanks
Editorial Consultant: Andrea Palpant Dilley
Editor in Chief: Timothy Dalrymple
Theme song: “Sticks and Stones” by Kings Kaleidoscope
Closing song: “The Bridge” by Taylor Leonhardt
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Boomers, The Big Sort, and Really, Really Big Churches
The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill
06/29/21 • 56 min
In the mid-1950s, Rev. Robert Schuller began preaching in a drive-in movie theater in Southern California. He melded traditions like vestments with a theology of post-war optimism and self-esteem. As his ministry grew, guest preaching in his pulpit became a mark of celebrity achievement. Three decades after his drive-in movie days, Schuller would welcome a young Mark Driscoll to the microphone to speak.
To understand the Mars Hill phenomenon, you have to understand how big churches developed in the boomer and Gen X years, how the franchising of churches led to homogenized congregational culture, and how pastors became spokesmen and CEOs. When Mark Driscoll arrived to preach at the Crystal Cathedral, he had already walked a ministry path paved by the likes of Schuller, Bill Hybels, and Rick Warren—leaders who dedicated significant time to demographic research as well as expository study.
In this episode of The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill, host Mike Cosper flips the tapestry of the Mars Hill story to expose the weaving of threads beneath. He explores how the identity of a church can become wrapped around one man and why a host of leaders might fall in step to protect him in order to save the institution.
Here, you can read an interview with David Di Sabatino, director of Frisbee: The Life and Death of a Hippie Preacher.
“The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill” is a production of Christianity Today
Executive Producer: Erik Petrik
Producer, Writer, Editor, and Host: Mike Cosper
Associate Producer: Joy Beth Smith
Music, Sound Design, and Mix Engineer: Kate Siefker
Graphic Design: Bryan Todd
Social Media: Nicole Shanks
Editorial Consultant: Andrea Palpant Dilley
Editor in Chief: Timothy Dalrymple
Theme song: “Sticks and Stones” by Kings Kaleidoscope
Closing song: “Crush” by The Violet Burning
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The Bobby Knight Problem
The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill
09/21/21 • 58 min
In 2006, Mark Driscoll met with a group of Seattle pastors who were worried about Mars Hill’s public witness. Mark had risen to prominence with pugilistic bravado, and local leaders expressed concern that his tone and language about women and, in this particular instance, pastors’ wives hurt the perception of the church in their largely unchurched city. Despite their best efforts to connect on common ground, the meeting’s leaders counted the event a failure. Remarkable success had isolated Mark from the average person on whom his words fell. His institution had insulated him from critique. The meeting revealed clearly that power protected Mark from accountability.
Your pastor doesn’t need outsized fame and acclaim to fall prey to the seduction of power, and neither do you. In this episode of The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill, host Mike Cosper looks to the world of sports to illustrate how power corrupts and how, when we abdicate our roles as gatekeepers for one another, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Step onto the basketball courts at Indiana University and behind the pulpit at Mars Hill to see how power becomes a strong drug that justifies abuse, keeps truth from speaking, and distances us from our shared humanity.
“The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill” is a production of Christianity Today
Executive Producer: Erik Petrik
Producer, Writer, Editor, and Host: Mike Cosper
Additional Editing: Resonate Recordings and Matt Linder
Associate Producer: Joy Beth Smith
Music, Sound Design, and Mix Engineer: Kate Siefker
Graphic Design: Bryan Todd
Social Media: Nicole Shanks
Editorial Consultant: Andrea Palpant Dilley
Editor in Chief: Timothy Dalrymple
Theme song: “Sticks and Stones” by Kings Kaleidoscope
Closing song: “Anger” by Treva Blomquist
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Demon Hunting
The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill
09/10/21 • 65 min
We are people built for wonder, spiritual creatures looking for spiritual footholds in a culture often devoid of belief in the supernatural. We long for miracles -- the defeat of sin and shame, displays of God’s power transforming our deepest pain. For some who attended Mars Hill, the instinct toward astonishment led them to Mark Driscoll’s charismatic deliverance ministry. In a world where belief is so often hard to come by, Mark claimed to have faith strong enough to move mountains and, literally, to cast out demons.
In this episode of The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill, host Mike Cosper asks the piercing question, “Where’s the line between the hand of God and a charismatic leader?” How do we know when our craving for astonishment is being manipulated? When do we accept the claims of someone speaking on God’s behalf? Using the lesser known Mars Hill “demon trials” as a backdrop, Cosper explores the Pentecostal origins of Driscoll’s deliverance ministry, examines the extra biblical rules that governed Mars Hill spiritual warfare, and considers our longing to hear from God and see him move in our midst.
“The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill” is a production of Christianity Today
Executive Producer: Erik Petrik
Producer, Writer, Editor, and Host: Mike Cosper
Associate Producer: Joy Beth Smith
Music, Sound Design, and Mix Engineer: Kate Siefker
Graphic Design: Bryan Todd
Social Media: Nicole Shanks
Editorial Consultant: Andrea Palpant Dilley
Editor in Chief: Timothy Dalrymple
Special thanks to Ben Vandermeer
Theme song: “Sticks and Stones” by Kings Kaleidoscope
Closing song: “Time is a Lion” by Joe Henry
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Bonus Episode: Boca Raton's Church Planting O.G.
The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill
10/19/21 • 47 min
Contrary to Mars Hill lore, Mark Driscoll didn’t plant his church alone. Though he prized the image of a solo, entrepreneurial pastor, Driscoll found early success thanks to two co-planters, a sending church, and a network of support. And three thousand miles away in Boca Raton, Florida, the concept of the Acts 29 church network was already taking shape as an offshoot of the Spanish River Church Planting Network.
Church planting requires a certain audacity, and in the early 1970’s nobody had more than David Nicholas. Founder of Spanish River Church, David’s burden for evangelism took shape in mentoring relationships with pastors starting congregations of their own. A planter himself, David empathized with those who felt lonely in that particular calling, and he sought to encourage and empower leaders by offering them community -- a network in which they could receive the care, training and accountability to do their jobs well.
In this episode of The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill, host Mike Cosper invites us into the room with David Nicholas and Mark Driscoll -- two church planters with widely divergent visions for what constituted successful church growth. Tracing the Acts 29 network from its beginnings, Cosper asks whether any leadership potential is worth overlooking red flags, and whether the broader church actually has what it takes to mentor young leaders with issues of character.
“The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill” is a production of Christianity Today
Executive Producer: Erik Petrik
Producer, Writer, Editor, and Host: Mike Cosper
Additional Editing: Resonate Recordings and Matt Linder
Associate Producer: Joy Beth Smith
Music, Sound Design, and Mix Engineer: Kate Siefker
Graphic Design: Bryan Todd
Social Media: Nicole Shanks
Editorial Consultant: Andrea Palpant Dilley
Editor in Chief: Timothy Dalrymple
Theme song: “Sticks and Stones” by Kings Kaleidoscope
Closing song: “Citizens” by Jon Guerra
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Full-Length Trailer
The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill
06/08/21 • 3 min
When Mars Hill Church was planted in Seattle in 1996, few would have imagined where it would lead. But in the next 18 years, it would become one of the largest, fastest-growing, and most influential churches in the United States. Controversy plagued the church, though, due in no small part to the lightning-rod personality at its helm: Mark Driscoll.
By 2014, the church had grown to 15,000 people in 15 locations. But before the year was over, the church collapsed. On January 1st, 2015, Mars Hill was gone.
Hosted by Mike Cosper, The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill explores the inside story of this church, its charismatic leader, and the conflicts and troubles that brought about its end. You'll hear from insiders and experts, tracing the threads of this story to so many others that shape the church today.
Listen to the trailer and subscribe today. The full series launches on June 22nd.
Executive Produced by Erik Petrik
Produced, Written, and Edited by Mike Cosper
Associate Produced by Joy Beth Smith
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Bonus Episode: I Kissed Christianity Goodbye
The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill
08/20/21 • 66 min
A Bonus Episode of The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill
Love it or hate it, if you grew up in a youth group after 1997, you probably had to reckon with Joshua Harris’s I Kissed Dating Goodbye, his treatise on dating and courtship. The book sold millions and made him, in Collin Hansen’s terms, an “evangelical boy wonder.”At 29 years old he became the lead pastor of a Maryland megachurch and a rising star in Sovereign Grace Ministries. But when that movement was torn apart by controversy, conflict, and accusations of a systemic cover-up of child abuse, he found himself reeling, unsure of his calling and convictions. He left ministry in 2015, and in 2019, announced that he no longer identified as a Christian.
In this bonus episode of The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill, we’ll explore Josh’s story as a contemporary of Mark Driscoll, someone who was his polar opposite in temperament, and who’s struggles in ministry led to a divergent outcome. We’ll talk about faith, doubt, and celebrity, and discuss how Christians might think about their own doubts and deconstruction, recognizing them as a normal part of the Christian life.
Subscriptions to CT are one of the best ways to support this kind of journalism. If you want to help us continue doing this kind of work, consider joining today at orderct.com/marshill.
“The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill” is a production of Christianity Today
Executive Producer: Erik Petrik
Producer, Writer, Editor, and Host: Mike Cosper
Associate Producer: Joy Beth Smith
Music and Sound Design: Kate Siefker and Mike Cosper
Mix Engineer: Mike Cosper
Graphic Design: Bryan Todd
Social Media: Nicole Shanks
Editorial Consultant: Andrea Palpant Dilley
Editor in Chief: Timothy Dalrymple
Theme song: “Sticks and Stones” by Kings Kaleidoscope
Closing song: “Spirit (Keep On)” by Jeremy Casella
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The Brand
The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill
08/03/21 • 63 min
Mark Driscoll rose to prominence in the early days of the Internet. Unlike his megapastor predecessors like Robert Schuller and Bill Hybels, Driscoll harnessed technology to build his brand and bypass cultural gatekeepers who might hinder or influence his success. He formed a talented media team that would expand his reach and, inadvertently, reinforce his ego through an online presence. Quickly though, his star rose too far, keeping him at arm’s length from the collaboration and counsel of those who could lend wisdom to his youthful, combustive pastoral ministry.
In this episode of The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill, host Mike Cosper breaks down how technology shaped the messaging and marketing of Mark Driscoll and how personal brand can isolate a leader even as it fuels a ministry’s growth. Cosper interviews broadly, from Mars Hill media team members to Collin Hansen of The Gospel Coalition, to investigate how narcissism grows, how theological movements birth new leaders, and why the church’s love affair with charisma and certainty demands we develop a better moral imagination. Rethink your admiration for celebrity pastors. Reevaluate your attraction to religious trends. And, reflect on your own willingness to stand “sola” when church becomes about something other than the Gospel.
“The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill” is a production of Christianity Today
Executive Producer: Erik Petrik
Producer, Writer, Editor, and Host: Mike Cosper
Associate Producer: Joy Beth Smith
Music, Sound Design, and Mix Engineer: Kate Siefker
Graphic Design: Bryan Todd
Social Media: Nicole Shanks
Editorial Consultant: Andrea Palpant Dilley
Editor in Chief: Timothy Dalrymple
Theme song: “Sticks and Stones” by Kings Kaleidoscope
Closing song: “Bang” by Moda Spira
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How many episodes does The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill have?
The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill currently has 27 episodes available.
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The episode title 'Who Killed Mars Hill?' is the most popular.
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The average episode length on The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill is 53 minutes.
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