Can We Talk About Trans Athletes — And More — Without Losing the Plot? With Pablo Torre

04/22/25 • 45 min

Talking about transgender women and girls in sports has become one of the most polarizing debates in American culture — often used to inflame rather than inform. Pablo Torre has spent years navigating these kinds of conversations at the intersection of sports, politics, and identity. In this episode, he joins Dan for a wide-ranging discussion about how we talk to each other — and who gets left out of the conversation.

We cover:

• Why the transgender sports debate is more about politics than policy

• What it’s like to straddle sports and politics as a commentator

• How to talk to people who aren’t already politically activated

• How the left can surpass the right in messaging

If you’re trying to engage in good faith — in a bad faith media environment — this episode will give you language, clarity, and maybe even a little hope.

We cover:

• Why the transgender sports debate is more about politics than policy

• What it’s like to straddle sports and politics as a commentator

• How to talk to people who aren’t already politically activated

• How the left can surpass the right in messaging

If you’re trying to engage in good faith — in a bad faith media environment — this episode will give you language, clarity, and maybe even a little hope.

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What Does a Winning Media Strategy Look Like? With Brian Tyler Cohen

With more than 3.5 billion views and millions of followers, Brian Tyler Cohen is one of the most influential democratic voices online. But how did he build that kind of reach — and what can Democrats learn from it?

In this episode, we cover:

• How he built his digital platform from scratch

• What Democrats get wrong in their media strategy

• How the left can build a powerful digital movement

• What you can do to break through the noise

If you care about politics and the future of media, this is a must-listen.

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What Are the Lessons from Biden’s Foreign Policy — and Could Trump Undo Them?

Jon Finer — President Biden’s former Deputy National Security Advisor — joins The People’s Cabinet for an unfiltered conversation about what the Biden administration got right, what could have gone differently, and how President Trump may be putting U.S. security at risk. From Russia’s war in Ukraine to the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, Finer shares lessons learned — and urgent warnings for the future.

Together, they cover:

•The U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan — and what was at stake

•How the world responded to October 7 — and where we go from here

•How Trump’s approach to the Russia-Ukraine war differs — and why it matters

•How the U.S. should be thinking about outpacing China

•The foreign policy implications of Trump’s plans with El Salvador

•Why turning our backs on allies makes America weaker — and less safe

This is an honest and forthright conversation on foreign policy — and a wake-up call for what’s at stake.