The Other 167
The Other 167
Garrett Layell, Pastor Ben Pearce and Kenny Lewis discuss the spiritual battles they face in their day to day lives, and how they stay connected to God the rest of the week.
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Living the Abundant Life
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12/12/24 • 54 min
John 10:10 is one of the great marketing slogans for Christianity. The promise of receiving abundant life sure sells a lot better than images of bearing crosses and dying to ourselves. But like a lot of things in the Bible, I think we might let a little too much human play into our interpretation sometimes, rather than reading what it actually says.
Jesus came to give life more abundantly. But as the recipients of this amazing gift, we think we ought the be the ones who get to define it. Love, joy, peace, that sounds great and all, but what’s the trade in policy on this thing? “I’m pretty well set in the patience department” we might negotiate, “How about some more money instead?” or “I’ve got plenty of self-control but don’t skimp on the kindness. I do wish people would be nicer to me!”
I bet if God were the proverbial genie granting 3 wishes, our requests would reveal at least 4 desires of the flesh. But that’s not what it says.
It’s kind of ironic when you think about it. The word abundant means “existing in large quantities” (in English, I’ll leave the Greek to Ben). How exactly did we turn that into a promise to increase the quality of our own lives, at the individual, singular, level? Isn’t that kind of the opposite of abundant?
Maybe He just meant that He came to give life to more sheep? Considering that without Him, all the sheep would die, that interpretation seems reasonable. But it’s not much of a marketing slogan. Unless you’re a sheep.
So what? We follow Jesus just so we get to live? Not to go all Ecclesiastes on you but, yeah, from John 10:10, that’s about all I read.
But don’t just read John 10:10. Back up a few verses and read about knowing His voice and Him calling us by name. Rewind to John 3 and remember much the Provider paid for this gift, and fast forward to John 14 - 16 and read about how simple the Shepard made His commands and His promises to help us fulfill them.
Read other books too. He doesn’t promise us riches, but Matthew 6 does promise that He’ll provide for us. And when it doesn’t seem like He will, Hebrews teaches us how to have faith. When we get tired of turning the other cheek, Ephesians 4 helps us handle conflict, and when we’re the ones we keep having to forgive, Romans 7 reminds us that we aren’t the first and Romans 8 reassures us that God accounted for our imperfection.
To truly discover the abundant life, we have to get to know the Provider. Yes, He’s more concerned with giving life to more sheep than improving the quality of life for one, but He’d love to let all of the sheep participate in the mission.
I can’t define the abundant life because it is beyond measure, existing in infinite quantities of infinite varieties. But I do know where to find it. Go back to John 10:10.
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The Answer is Christ
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11/02/24 • 1 min
I saw the other day that a church got in trouble for displaying a “Jesus in ‘24” sign outside of their church. As Christians, doesn’t it sound amazing to think of what it would be like if we could elect Jesus Christ as our next President? Can you even imagine it? Lovingkindness for all, peace and joy abounding, generosity and freedom overflowing behind the leadership of the greatest figure the earth has ever known.
Here’s the problem: He’d never get elected. Want to hear something even worse? You probably wouldn’t vote for Him. And neither would I.
Consider His platform: He’d close every “reproductive healthcare” facility in the country and impose a tax of, I don’t know, around 10 percent, on all Christians that would go directly to funding a new program supporting unmarried single mothers.
He’d deport every illegal alien on day 1 and pass immigration reform that simplified the process so much that twice as many new immigrants showed up on day 2. This would throw a huge wrinkle into the economy. But He wouldn’t care. He’d just dip into His Christian tax fund to make sure everyone was provided for (including the single pregnant women arriving from Mexico).
He’d appoint a hippie from California as His press secretary to communicate the vision He had for His people and invite the most ruthless and greedy Wall Street executives to Presidential dinners at the White House, setting quite the scene for when the LGBTQ+ leaders showed up with the best seats at the table.
As Christians, we might know that Christ is the answer to the world’s problems. But we only like to think about how He’d fix the problems WE HAVE with the world. How can we be His hands and feet if we only think of how His grace extends to our needs? The right hand might be on the opposite side of the left, but neither one can scratch itself. Just sayin’.
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Macro Level of Free Will
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10/04/24 • -1 min
One of the few things that all humans agree on is that all humans are all flawed. Ironically, one of our biggest flaws, is our inability to notice our own part in that statement. I used to love refereeing 5-year-old basketball. They all want the ball, even though none of them can dribble, pass, catch, or shoot. It was so funny to watch players from the same team fight each other for the ball like it was a rugby scrum. Eventually they’d all lose control, and it would go out of bounds, or the other team would grab it. I even had a kid climb up my arm trying to get the ball from me once during a time-out. I imagine that’s how God sees us a lot of times. 8 billion kids fighting for control of a really big ball, blaming each other when it doesn’t go well, and occasionally even challenging the One overseeing the chaos.
We’ll never change the problems of the world. We weren’t designed to do that. Instead, God wants to change our perspective. For Him to be able to do that, sometimes we have to stop asking who to blame, so He can show us who to help.
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Our Best vs. God’s Best
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10/10/24 • -1 min
Several years ago, a friend asked me if I wanted to be on his mud run team. “Hmm, sounds fun”, I said, “but what’s a mud run?” A couple of amusing minutes later, not only was I positive I didn’t want to be on his mud run team, but I was also reevaluating the judgement of my friend selection. That sounded insane!
No offense to anyone who has participated in these self-inflicted torture tests, but I’m out. After paying about a $100 entry fee, you get to run like 2 miles through freezing water and mud, through dozens of obstacles including my personal favorite, live electrical wires! But not for nothing, if you complete the course, you get a free tee shirt.
At first glance, this might be the way we see the Christian Walk. Being crucified with Christ and baptized into His death doesn’t sound fun (Romans 6). Dying to self and picking up our cross daily doesn’t sound appealing at face value either (1 Cor. 15 & Luke 9). But that’s because of our flawed human perspective. Our selfish nature causes us to see our ways as best and, as a result, we view trading them for God’s righteousness as a sacrifice.
But God doesn’t see it is a sacrifice. From His perspective, we are ALREADY running the self-inflicted torture test, and He’s offering us a way out. Everything Jesus suffered at the Cross was to give us access to a better way. It even refunds our entry fee and ends up with something way better than a tee-shirt.
If you want to see how much God wants us to stop torturing ourselves, just look at the Cross. Did the same God who loved us enough to brutally sacrifice His only Son for us do it just so we could sacrifice our own joy back to Him? If that’s what He was willing to do to give us another way, how much torture are we putting ourselves through?
I won’t try to answer that. Even God couldn’t find words to answer that. He showed us with Jesus.
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Quality of Faith
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10/25/24 • -1 min
What do we have to do to go to Heaven? And once we do it, can we undo it? Is the thing we have to do a one-time thing, or a process over some period of time, and if so, for how long? These are common questions we tend to ask ourselves, and we spent most of this episode on these topics in some form or another.
I don’t believe it’s as simple as being dunked in water. I don’t believe any prayer will do it. I don’t believe a certain attendance record at your local church or even the denomination of this church is a deciding factor. In fact, I can make a longer list of things I don’t believe will get us into Heaven than I can of things that I think will.
At the same time, I’m almost positive that whatever the answer is, it’s not a complicated one. I don’t believe God sent His son to bear the burden of our sins and suffer the way He did to demonstrate God’s love, only to make the acceptance of this love difficult to figure out. If we have to solve a spiritual Rubik’s cube in order to receive our salvation, why put Jesus through that in the first place? But if salvation is so simple, why is the Bible not clearer on what exactly defines it and how it’s obtained?
I believe it’s because we are asking the wrong questions. God didn’t share the minimum standard with us because that’s not what He wants for us. He did make it clear and simple. He tells us to seek Him with our whole heart, and to seek first His Kingdom and the rest will be added. If we seek God with all our heart, it’s impossible not to find salvation in the process, but it will be on our way to far greater things.
This isn’t for God’s benefit. It’s because God wants us to enjoy more of His blessings than just the minimum. He knows that we will have more peace, love & joy seeking Him with our whole heart than we will by seeking enough of it to get us to Heaven. Rather than worrying about what we have to do for God, we should be seeking all He wants to do for us, and Heaven will most definitely be included.
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Balancing Truth and Grace
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09/13/24 • -1 min
Trying to balance truth and grace can be a big challenge. The truth shows us the standard God wants for us, but none of us will live up to that standard in this life. If we focus too much on God’s standard, we’re blinded by the shortcomings of ourselves and others and lose sight of grace. The guilt and self-righteousness that comes with this also conflicts with God’s standard, so we over-correct and focus on grace and before we know it, we’re condoning sin for the sake of grace. Sometimes this feels like trying to balance a house on a needle. So how do we do it? Simple. We don’t.
Jesus didn’t come in 50% grace and 50% truth. He came in 100% grace AND truth. They aren’t in conflict with each other. They go together. There’s no balancing act. They both stand firmly on a foundation built by His love for all of us. His love tells us the truth so we can enjoy a life filled with peace, joy, empathy and love. His love also welcomes us back into this truth when we choose to suffer from our pride, worry, and hate instead.
Our first of 50 shows was titled “Thou Shall Not Hurt Yourself”. A year ago, I heard this as threatening warning from a jealous God holding the remote control to a shock collar wrapped around my neck. Now I hear it as a plea from a loving Father who doesn’t want to watch me endure the pain (again). Experiencing that love through the Holy Spirit replaces our nature with His and shows us how to share the truth, with grace, out of the same love that doesn’t want to see others suffer.
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Constant Contact with Christ
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09/06/24 • -1 min
In all of their various forms, relationships progress through stages. Friendships, your spouse, business relationships, etc. all follow some form of a pattern. There is a beginning, where both sides start to explore whether or not this is a relationship that worth investing in. A growth phase may follow where you get to know each other better. Eventually there may come a leveling off or maintenance phase that can be healthy in some cases. For example, having as close of a business relationship as you have with your kids is unnecessary and even a little weird. Some relationships also go through recessions and may be ended entirely. This may be a gradual process over time, or a one-time disagreement.
I’m no therapist, but I do know that there is one word that is key to the trend of a relationship: communication. If you go long periods of time without communicating with someone, it’s nearly impossible to expect that relationship to grow. Likewise, ending a relationship is usually accomplished fastest by minimizing communication.
There are a few key distinctions, however, in our relationships with God compared to each other. First of all, there is no question if we need God, and no question that He wants a relationship with us. And I imagine if you asked Him how well He wants us to know Him, His answer would be simply “more”. Whether you are a 90 year old pastor or a 5 year old child, God wants you to know Him more than you do today.
And unlike with other humans, our relationship with God involves a party that is perfect. He never makes mistakes, and He lacks no knowledge. So there should be no disagreement. But should we choose to, He is also all-forgiving.
Perhaps the most important distinction in our relationship with God is that with another person, a break in communication means that both parties lose touch. But no matter how far you step away from God, or for how long, He still knows you just as well as He did the day He made you. So reconnecting with Him after a while feels more like talking to an old friend, except you don’t really have to waste any time catching each other up on missed time. He hasn’t changed, and He already knows how you’ve been. There may be a need for an apology, and you may have developed some habits that He’ll want to address, but He already knew that.
After some time apart, you’ll need to catch up on getting to know Him, but since He hasn’t changed, you find yourself picking up closer to where you left off than you might expect. And to do that, you end up right back where He wanted you all along. Communicating with Him so you can know Him more.
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In the End it Was Worth it All
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08/15/24 • -1 min
Once in a while, I’ll catch myself playing Biblical algebra. By rearranging or removing certain words from our favorite verses, you start to notice how important each word ends up being. “God works things together for good” isn’t nearly as powerful without the “all”. Surely as Christians, we know better than to play word games with the Bible. Right?
We may not do it when we read the Word, but we can’t deny doing it when we try to live it out (sometimes we delete entire verses in real life). But let’s apply this to old faithful: Romans 8:28. When we worry about something not working out, isn’t that deleting “all” from the verse? Maybe we prefer to delete “good”? God works all things together, but they not be for good? These are too obvious. Surely, we know better than this. How about “know”? Do we “know” God works all things together for good? Or do we hope? Or think? Or do we add words like “might”?
Once we nail down every single word and start applying them all in our daily lives, it can change us in a big way. What if you really knew that no matter what you were facing today, God was going to work it together for good to those who love Him? What would you worry about? What would you be afraid of? What type of peace would you experience? How much would joy would you have?
What if the very thing you hated today became the thing God used to prove this verse to you in the future? Would you still hate it? Or would you thank Him for it?
I’ve never really asked myself these questions. But I have started to notice lately that God has been answering them anyway.
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A Godly Perspective
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08/30/24 • -1 min
The more we love something, the harder it can be to turn it over to God. This can be a sin, a person, or even a Godly virtue. Placing a sin above God on our priority list is a challenging enough starting point. We know it is wrong. But our human nature still helps us ignore God’s perspective and choose destructive paths over God’s perfect plan for our lives.
But our loved ones can present a sneakier challenge. It’s hard to acknowledge God’s sovereignty when it comes to the people He blessed us with. We shouldn’t worry, but surely that worry is justified as long as it’s in the name of love, right?
Then come our virtues. These may be Satan’s last stand. When we see the obvious disregard for God from the world around us, anger, worry, and hate not only comes naturally, but sometimes might even feel in line with God’s will. We should be angry at what angers God. And shouldn’t we worry about helping others see the truth? We are called to be disciples, so that means God needs our help, right?
Seeing God’s perspective has to start with recognizing His sovereignty. Remembering that He doesn’t want to see us hurt ourselves with sinful habits. Remembering that He loves our loved ones more than we do and that they are in better hands when we trust them to Him. And remembering that of all of the virtues He wants to see from His children, love comes first.
The Godlier the excuse for holding onto something instead of giving it to God, the more I think He demands us to surrender it. It could be a test of our faith. But what we might see as a test of our faith, God might see as a reward for it. He’s not taking the things we care about from us. He’s offering to take care of them for us. Which is a no brainer, as long as you believe He is who He says He is.
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A Living Testimony
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11/23/24 • -1 min
My grandfather lived out Christianity as well as anyone I’ve ever known. Well, sort of.
The man was the father of under complicating things, to a fault. His faith was no different. It was like he read Matthew 22 one day and said “Greatest two commandments, got it. That’s all I need to know.”
I like to say he got the big things right. He certainly couldn’t judge others. He and his friends wouldn’t have been allowed in the church at Corinth, even as visitors. He’d evict a tenant from a property because they were $1,000 behind on rent and send them a check for $2,000 to get them back on their feet. He invented new ways to use the four-letter words, but that Three-Letter Word was never out of context.
He didn’t pretend to be perfect. I’m not even sure he tried to be “righteous”. But he knew how to love, because that’s what “the Master” said was most important to Him.
He died when I was 18, and it’s probably a good thing. Because I’ve spent the last 21 years trying to quit most of the things he taught me how to do. Except for loving God and loving others. No one ever taught me that any better.
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