
The History of Superconducting Qubits with Steve Girvin
10/24/22 • 58 min
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Welcome to another episode of The New Quantum Era Podcast hosted by Kevin Rowney and Sebastian Hassinger. Today, they are joined by Steve Girvin, professor of Physics at Yale who has a central role in the Yale Quantum Institute, which has been ground zero for the recent development in superconducting qubits.
The topics we had initially planned needed some adjustment, because on the day of the interview, the Nobel Prize in Physics was awarded to three scientists for their work experimentally verifying the theory behind entanglement, the source of much of quantum computing's power. Alain Aspect, John F. Clauser, and Anton Zeilinger were recognized for their experiments in an area that has broad implications for secure information transfer and quantum computing.
Sebastian, Kevin, and Steve have an interesting talk about some of the history of the superconducting qubits and the transmon in particular, which is a basis for most of the modern superconducting qubits on the market. They also cover the topic of diversity, quality, and inclusion.
Key Takeaways:
[3:43] Steve introduces himself.
[5:23] Steve shares his primary domains of research.
[9:50] Was there a sort of self-awareness in the Yale group that Steve and his team were taking radically? Were they considering a different approach that could solve some of the challenges of the other models that existed at the time?
[14:38] Steve talks about how relatively quickly the hardware can be fabricated to be able to crank out, iterations, variations, and experiments.
[17:27] Is there room for optimism about the new dimensions of research related to MER material science?
[19:25] Steve shares his thoughts on the news about the 2022 Nobel Prize in Physics.
[22:18] Steve talks about how some of the epistemological questions that these paradoxes present, feel really mind-bending to many people on the outside of physics.
[25:38] Steve addresses how hard it is to predict the future.
[27:21] Does Steve consider himself an optimist about the progress of quantum computing?
[30:10] How can we get reliable performance out of an inherently, very unreliable system?
[33:22] Steve helps us fill in the narrative, in the history of where GKP codes are situated and their significance to contemporary developments.
[41:14] Steve talks about the basic steps of the algorithm to do the error correction.
[44:01] The history of computer science is very, uh, white, male, and, uh, dominated in nature, Steve shares his thoughts about diversity, equity, and inclusion.
[48:34] What we can do to change the composition of the field when the underlying foundations of the way science is done in the lab have a such rigid history of hierarchy, power structures, and power dynamics that are so easily abused?
[55:02] Sebastian and Kevin share their thoughts on an amazing conversation with Steve Girvin,
Mentioned in this episode:
Visit The New Quantum Era Podcast
Turing's Cathedral: The Origins of the Digital Universe, George Dyson
Documentary: Picture a Scientist
Tweetables and Quotes:
“A very productive part of my childhood was having nothing to do, but to dream.“ — Steve Girvin
“The simpler you keep things, the easier it's to do things “ — Steve Girvin
“Einstein really made massive contributions to the development of the quantum theory. “ — Steve Girvin
“The way we test whether our quantum computer is a quantum computer is checking first thing in the morning to calibrate it, if it's doing the thing that Einstein said was impossible then, it's working.“ — Steve Girvin
“Looking ahead, it's very, very hard to predict where this is going, but along the way, there's such fantastic. basic science and quantum.” — Steve Girvin
“When you're doing a hiring search, it's not about adding constraints, like interviewing more women...It's about removing constraints. You should look wider. There's a theorem that if you release constraints, the optimum cannot get worse, it can only get better. ” — Steve Girvin
Welcome to another episode of The New Quantum Era Podcast hosted by Kevin Rowney and Sebastian Hassinger. Today, they are joined by Steve Girvin, professor of Physics at Yale who has a central role in the Yale Quantum Institute, which has been ground zero for the recent development in superconducting qubits.
The topics we had initially planned needed some adjustment, because on the day of the interview, the Nobel Prize in Physics was awarded to three scientists for their work experimentally verifying the theory behind entanglement, the source of much of quantum computing's power. Alain Aspect, John F. Clauser, and Anton Zeilinger were recognized for their experiments in an area that has broad implications for secure information transfer and quantum computing.
Sebastian, Kevin, and Steve have an interesting talk about some of the history of the superconducting qubits and the transmon in particular, which is a basis for most of the modern superconducting qubits on the market. They also cover the topic of diversity, quality, and inclusion.
Key Takeaways:
[3:43] Steve introduces himself.
[5:23] Steve shares his primary domains of research.
[9:50] Was there a sort of self-awareness in the Yale group that Steve and his team were taking radically? Were they considering a different approach that could solve some of the challenges of the other models that existed at the time?
[14:38] Steve talks about how relatively quickly the hardware can be fabricated to be able to crank out, iterations, variations, and experiments.
[17:27] Is there room for optimism about the new dimensions of research related to MER material science?
[19:25] Steve shares his thoughts on the news about the 2022 Nobel Prize in Physics.
[22:18] Steve talks about how some of the epistemological questions that these paradoxes present, feel really mind-bending to many people on the outside of physics.
[25:38] Steve addresses how hard it is to predict the future.
[27:21] Does Steve consider himself an optimist about the progress of quantum computing?
[30:10] How can we get reliable performance out of an inherently, very unreliable system?
[33:22] Steve helps us fill in the narrative, in the history of where GKP codes are situated and their significance to contemporary developments.
[41:14] Steve talks about the basic steps of the algorithm to do the error correction.
[44:01] The history of computer science is very, uh, white, male, and, uh, dominated in nature, Steve shares his thoughts about diversity, equity, and inclusion.
[48:34] What we can do to change the composition of the field when the underlying foundations of the way science is done in the lab have a such rigid history of hierarchy, power structures, and power dynamics that are so easily abused?
[55:02] Sebastian and Kevin share their thoughts on an amazing conversation with Steve Girvin,
Mentioned in this episode:
Visit The New Quantum Era Podcast
Turing's Cathedral: The Origins of the Digital Universe, George Dyson
Documentary: Picture a Scientist
Tweetables and Quotes:
“A very productive part of my childhood was having nothing to do, but to dream.“ — Steve Girvin
“The simpler you keep things, the easier it's to do things “ — Steve Girvin
“Einstein really made massive contributions to the development of the quantum theory. “ — Steve Girvin
“The way we test whether our quantum computer is a quantum computer is checking first thing in the morning to calibrate it, if it's doing the thing that Einstein said was impossible then, it's working.“ — Steve Girvin
“Looking ahead, it's very, very hard to predict where this is going, but along the way, there's such fantastic. basic science and quantum.” — Steve Girvin
“When you're doing a hiring search, it's not about adding constraints, like interviewing more women...It's about removing constraints. You should look wider. There's a theorem that if you release constraints, the optimum cannot get worse, it can only get better. ” — Steve Girvin
Previous Episode

Quantum Error Correction with James Wootton
Key Takeaways:
[3:23] James introduces himself.
[4:20] James talks about his engagement in game development using the public IBM Cloud quantum systems.
[5:40] James explains why he said he expected the field of quantum computing to be more accessible by starting with hobbyists.
[7:02] James talks about the theory behind quantum computing.
[8:23] James speaks of how to engage people in quantum computing by proving Einstein was wrong in how he saw quantum mechanics.
[12:39] What are some of the things that James has seen that were sort of super inventive ways to use quantum computing in a game context?
[14:20] James talks about the quantum emoji generator.
[15:26] James shares his opinion in regard to Quantum Chess.
[16:48] James talks about a new game called Quantum Odyssey
[18:08] James shares an experience working with kids when he was at the University of Basel.
[19:55] James talks about his passion for quantum error correction.
[20:41] James tells the difference between quantum error correction and quantum error mitigation.
[24:18] Sebastian talks about mitigation strategies.
[27:00] Could it be that lots of the statistical tradecraft with respect to analyzing data and attempting to interpret its meaning in the presence of acknowledged errors and the signal is perhaps a foundational part of QAM?
[28:01] What are the major and most interesting themes to James these days?
[29:36] James explains the threshold theorem.
[34:33] What is the current math result in terms of the threshold of error occurrence that you need to get to get over the hump?
[35:16] James talks about the experimental results where people have built minimal examples of quantum error-correcting codes
[36:01] James talks about a recent experiment made at IBM quantum.
[36:40] What does surface code mean?
[39:20] Are there any other types of errors that quantum error correction has to struggle with? Or are the bit flip and phase error the two main aspects?
[41:55] James talks about the recent research on silicon spin qubits.
[45:39] Sebastian and Kevin share the highlights of an amazing conversation with James.
Mentioned in this episode:
Visit The New Quantum Era Podcast
Stephen Hawking faces Paul Rudd in epic chess match (feat. Keanu Reeves)
Tweetables and Quotes:
“It's better if we start off by building a little bit of intuition, and then bringing in the maths, it's important to bring in the maths but I think it's better when the maths is describing an intuition that people already have and that's the starting point.” — James Wootton
“There have been experimental results already where people have built minimal examples of quantum error correcting codes and showing that they have a beneficial effect. So that's what happens when the noise is low enough. “ — James Wootton
Next Episode

Better Qubits Through Material Science with Nathalie DeLeon
Key Takeaways:
[3:38] Nathalie shares how she found her way into the field of quantum technology.
[6:25] Nathalie talks about the key moment in the landscape towards being a believer in Quantum Technology.
[8:29] Nathalie talks about certain things that made her change her mind.
[12:20] Nathalie speaks about her particular entry into the science field.
[18:09] How far up the stack does Nathalie’s interest lie, and how does that inform what she has been doing down at the materials?
[22:54] Nathalie shares the story about NSF.
[25:48] What is wrong with Niobium?
[27:12] Nathalie explains the difficulty of surface physics and surface chemistry in this domain.
[32:30] Is there a way to describe conceptually how a vacancy in a diamond can be used as a two-level system or for a cubit, or as a sensing device?
[37:03] Why is it called a color center?
[37:59] Nathalie talks about the genesis of her paper which includes material science foundations for the quantum information process.
[42:35] Can Nathalie make any speculations based on what she learned from the review paper?
[46:54] Is it true that manipulating diamonds is really slow?
[48:28] Sebastian talks about the way they met Nathalie.
[49:29] Are there things that either educators or industry participants in this stage of quantum computing and quantum information technologies can do to help make this area work better than the other fields have in the past?
[55:58] Sebastian and Kevin share the highlights of an amazing conversation with Nathalie DeLeon.
Mentioned in this episode:
Visit The New Quantum Era Podcast
Co-Design Center for Quantum Advantage
Tweetables and Quotes:
“If you could do a quantum version of erasure conversion, you can actually get extremely high thresholds.“ — Nathalie DeLeon
“The fact that, in some sense, fault tolerance is a phase, a transition is a quantum phase transition, right? You have a fundamentally different system before and after you turn on your error correction. .“ — Nathalie DeLeon
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