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The Labor Law Insider

The Labor Law Insider

Tom Godar

Tune into Husch Blackwell's Labor Law Insider Podcast with members of our labor and employment law team for conversations about recent and anticipated developments in laws and regulations that affect the workplace. Each episode will provide guidance on best practices and strategies that employers should implement as the environment for businesses in all sectors of the economy continues to evolve.
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Goodpods has curated a list of the 10 best The Labor Law Insider episodes, ranked by the number of listens and likes each episode have garnered from our listeners. If you are listening to The Labor Law Insider for the first time, there's no better place to start than with one of these standout episodes. If you are a fan of the show, vote for your favorite The Labor Law Insider episode by adding your comments to the episode page.

In this episode of the Labor Law Insider, our host, Tom Godar, is joined by Husch Blackwell attorneys Adam Doerr and Trecia Moore to discuss union decertification.

  • In 2022 there were approximately 1,700 petitions for election filed before the NLRB, and about 300 of these were filed by employees to decertify their bargaining unit representative.
  • Over 300 Starbucks elections have resulted in union representation and at least 16 petitions for decertification have been filed.
  • Employees continue to seek the end of union representation for a variety of reasons through the decertification process, including those experiencing changes in their bargaining unit or a change in those managing bargaining unit employees. Our Labor Law Insiders also discuss why some employers are quite content to remain in a bargaining relationship with the union.

Join us now for part one of this podcast through the land of decertification and look forward to part two of this podcast where we discuss practical steps and cautions to consider in the decertification process.

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Labor Law Insider host Tom Godar continues to explore the nexus of labor issues and higher education with veteran labor lawyer Tyler Paetkau of Husch Blackwell’s Labor & Employment group and Jason Montgomery a member of Husch Blackwell’s Higher Education group and a former NCAA investigator. Together they review NLRB General Counsel Abruzzo’s guidance regarding higher education and the Northwestern University decision, which paves the way for student-athletes to argue that they are employees under the National Labor Relations Act and its state counterparts with rights of representation by unions.

Our Insiders review the implications of student-athletes receiving compensation for use of their name, image and likeness (NIL) and the new decision by the NLRB’s Los Angeles region to charge not only the University of Southern California but the Pac-12 Conference and the NCAA as joint employers of the student-athletes-putative employees. The podcast touches upon unions targeting college campuses, the special protection offered student-athletes under Title IX, and the potential impact of mandated equity among male and female athletes as among the new challenges facing universities and colleges. Although the large private institutions are attracting most interest, there is also recognition in the discussion that states provide organizing opportunities for students at public institutions, and even smaller institutions may ultimately be swept up in areas of traditional labor law protection if the trends already initiated by the National Labor Relations Board continue.

Join us for this very thought-provoking discussion of emerging issues on college campuses and how student-athletes figure into what might become the most interesting challenge for universities, athletic conferences and even the NCAA in the coming decades.

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Host Tom Godar is joined by two special guests, Tyler Paetkau and Jason Montgomery, for a special Higher Education edition of the Labor Law Insider. In this first part of a two-part podcast, the panel takes on two recent and hugely important U.S. Supreme Court decisions, Biden v. Nebraska Loan and Students for Fair Admissions v. Harvard College. The first case deals with student loan forgiveness and the second takes on race-based considerations for college admissions.

Jason offers an analysis of the Court’s majority decisions in Students for Fair Admissions and shares how universities had anticipated this decision. In response, many institutions are changing—or at least, assessing—their current application standards. Tyler suggests that these issues may impact closely allied areas of concern, such as affirmative action and DEI policies, that have race-based components.

There is also a discussion of the Biden administration’s executive overreach in declaring student loans forgiven, which the Court found to be an encroachment upon congressional power. The discussion also considers alternative approaches the administration may attempt to pursue its goal of student loan forgiveness.

Also in Part One of this episode, the panel explores the notion of student-athletes as employees. Tyler discusses the recent decision by the National Labor Relations Board to issue a formal complaint against the NCAA, the Pac-12 Conference, and the University of Southern California in connection with alleged unfair labor practices.

These themes are further developed in Part Two of the podcast, which looks at the increased activism of unions on campus with regards to both strikes as well as organizing. Universities are advised to identify and assess opportunities to understand where union activities may arise on their campuses.

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In this episode, the second of two, host Tom Godar and guest Rufino Gaytán continue to discuss the impact of the National Labor Relations Board’s Lion Elastomers decision, allowing problematic behavior to be wrapped in the cloak of protected behavior. Rufino offers insight on the application of this decision to non-unionized employers and steps to be taken to decrease the chances that a claim for protected behavior would be successful before the NLRB. We also explore the difficult balance between the risk of a claim and the need for an employer to protect its culture and values by disciplining employees who may be acting outside of the employer’s standards.

The discussion highlights that having a consistent application of employer policies, providing discipline in the context of uncivil behavior even when not remotely connected to protected concerted activity may help establish a guideline for analysis of an alleged unfair labor practice. While the NLRB will not make its decision based on the subjective intent of the employer, the lack of consistency in application of a policy will surely facto into any conclusion that discipline in a potentially protected area is unlawful.

When witnessing such behavior, Rufino makes it clear that it is very fact specific and that one activity of a profane objection on behalf of many in the workforce may be protected, but when it turns into threatening behavior, it may lose its protection altogether. Nevertheless, the employer may work to defuse such heated exchanges through suspension and later review, seeking the core basis for the outburst rather than discharging an employee in the heat of the moment.

Most importantly, Rufino suggests that the employer must carefully adhere to its core values that would not allow certain behavior to go unchecked when balancing this against the risk that an NLRB review might find that same behavior to be protected and concerted activity. At that point, it may be wise to consult counsel on the latest reading of this changing area of law and how it affects employers’ desire to keep the workplace civil and safe.

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The Labor Law Insider (LLI) podcast welcomes Husch Blackwell partner Anne Mayette on her inaugural trip to the LLI microphone. Anne, who practices out of the firm’s Chicago office, is a seasoned labor and employment lawyer, and joins host Tom Godar to discuss union activity in the manufacturing and related sectors. This is an expansion on the discussion of employment and labor issues in the extensive Manufacturing White Paper published by Husch Blackwell in January 2023.

There has been a tremendous increase in organizing activity as well as strikes and other job actions in the manufacturing and related industries, including 32 strikes in 41 locations and 16 labor protests in 17 locations in calendar year 2022, according to Cornell’s tracker. Anne discusses these developments and puts them into a broader context of employee engagement, or lack of engagement, which spurs union organizing activity. Using information compiled in the Manufacturing Industry Analysis, Anne describes a number of areas in which employers could provide more opportunities which would likely increase employee engagement and decrease the chances of successful union activities. The survey suggest that employees look for greater diversity in the workplace, more voice in the workplace, and more meaningful individual and employee group communications from their employer. While none of these observations are shocking, Anne describes practical steps employers can take that would not only decrease the need for employees to seek union intervention, but also increase the success for the organizations as they compete for talent in manufacturing and related industries.

Part 2 of the of podcast will continue with more specific examples of employee input on issues, as well as steps to be taken by employers to introduce greater engagement opportunities. Join us for the Labor Law Insider podcast.

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Husch Blackwell's Labor Law Insiders, Thomas Godar, Terry Potter, Rufino Gaytan and Adam Doerr, offer context to recent NLRB memoranda, including background to NLRB remedies, and contrast the historical reach of NLRB remedies to the broader approach urged by the Board’s General Counsel under her more expansive definition of “full remedies”. Further, the panelists take on the implications of the General Counsel’s pursuit of injunctive relief under Section 10(j) of the National Labor Relations Act, as a preventative tool rather than a remedial one.

The panel also addresses the non-economic remedies that more employers will find unpalatable, including those discussed in the most recent General Counsel memorandum. These include such remedies as letters of apologies to reinstated employees, and the creation of video recordings of a NLRB agent reading notices in the presence of senior charged party officials, among others.

The second part of this episode will further explore the options for reviewing and potentially resolving complaints, the incentive to defend against such ULP complaints through trial, and the steps to be undertaken to avoid, as far as can be possible, the threat of employees charging employers with unfair labor practices.

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The Labor Law Insider - Project Labor Agreements Part II
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06/01/22 • 13 min

On May 13, 2022, we released Part One related to President Biden’s Executive Order 14063 mandating Project Labor Agreements (“PLA”). Our Labor Law Insiders, Tom Godar, Rufino Gaytán and Michael Schrier, began to explore the requirement that contractors and sub-contractors on large federal construction contracts “negotiate or become party to a project labor agreement with one or more appropriate labor organizations.”

In Part Two of this discussion regarding the impact of the Executive Order, we explore how this requirement of PLAs for construction agreements greater than $35 million may indeed be another avenue that unions might use to organize construction employees. Our Insiders tackle the potential use of publicly available information mandated under the new PLA regulations, and how, in combination with wages dictated by the Davis-Bacon Act, unions might identify and target union-free employers for organizational activity. This disclosed information may be one more helpful piece of information for unions, courtesy of the Biden administration and its effort to be the most union-friendly administration ever.

The guests also explore when we might expect publication of the regulations, and how they might resemble or differ from those already in place under the current Obama-era PLA Executive Order. The Federal Acquisition Regulation Council may issue such new regulations as soon as June 4th of this year.

Importantly, attorneys Gaytán and Schrier will discuss possible legal challenges to these regulations, as well as cautions for those non-union entities who might seek the benefit of large government contracts and in so doing, become entangled in the PLA’s with various unions. For contractors inexperienced in such matters, engaging in PLA work may have hidden trap doors wholly apart from potential union entanglement for union-free companies.

We invite you to listen to this interesting presentation, not only for the specifics of the PLA impact, but to assess the breadth of impact that a seemingly simple expansion of regulations can have on both union and non-union federal contractors alike.

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The Labor Law Insider - Project Labor Agreements Part I

Project Labor Agreements Part I

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05/13/22 • 16 min

In part I of this series, Husch Blackwell's Labor Law Insider host Thomas Godar is joined by two experienced counsel regarding labor and employment law and federal contractor issues. Husch Blackwell Attorney Michael Schrier is co-Chair of the ABA Public Contract Law Section’s Employment Safety and Labor Committee, which is engaged in monitoring and potentially influencing regulations regarding federal government use of PLAs. Husch Blackwell Attorney Rufino Gaytán is often asked by clients to assist in assessing whether engagement in what are often high-ticket federal construction contracts and PLAs may have hidden trap doors, especially for those who are not frequent federal contractors. This episode of the Labor Law Insider Podcast explores the federal government’s expanded mandate for use of PLAs, and its potential for further encouraging unions to organize union-free companies which choose to participate in such projects.

Be sure to join us for for this and Part II for and interesting look into Project Labor Agreements and how they fit in to the overall pro-union strategy of the Biden administration.

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The Labor Law Insider - Offensive Speech in the Workplace - Part II: Drawing the Line
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04/18/22 • 23 min

In this Labor Law Insider podcast episode, Tom Godar is joined by Husch Blackwell attorney Sonni Nolan and firm alum Kat Pearlstone, as they conclude their exploration on protection of employee’s speech under the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA). In episode #10, the first in this series, the Labor Law Insider explored how disrespectful, crude and offensive speech may still be protected as concerted expressions under the NLRA. In this episode the panelists look at the standard for review of potentially protected speech, how threats of violence are treated under section 7 of the NLRA, the tricky world of social media comments that target people or business, and some best practices to eliminate or at least reduce the risk of an unfair labor practice charge.

The good news is the return to the more helpful standard for assessing whether protection should be accorded an expression made by the employee. First, the employee will have to demonstrate that he or she engaged in protected conduct, that the employer knew of such conduct and the employer acted with animus against the protected activity by counseling, discipline or discharge. Upon this proof, the employer would have the burden to respond and offer a legitimate business reason, not based on protected Union activity, for its action. General Motors LLC, 369 N.L.R.B. No. 127, 2020 BL 270474.

One area which can cross the eyes of an employer is related to possible threats of violence, and whether they would be entitled protection under the NLRA. In those cases, the Board may assess whether a provocative statement, is mere hyperbole, or a legitimate threat of violence. Kiewit Power Constructors Co., v. NLRB, 652 F.3d 22 (D.C.Cir. 2011). Employers would be asked to excuse certain threatening words as essentially not credible but are left with the near impossible task of ferreting out real threats from just excited expressions.

Another focus of the discussion is on statements receiving protection made via social media comments. Indeed, as employees work from home at an increasing rate during and following the COVID pandemic, more of these offensive and possibly harassing or threatening comments may come through the internet and social media as opposed to directed activities in the workplace. As a result, employers will have a very difficult job of not only interpreting whether these statements may be protected, but even investigating these comments. For instance, it is not unusual that employees who are identified as making these social medial comments would deny making those statements and merely claim that their account was hacked. This presents a very difficult burden for the employer to prove or disprove that an account was hacked, yet at least some decisions experienced by our Labor Law Insiders suggest that that is precisely the burden the employer would carry. This may be true in the context of a disciplined or fired employee claiming an Unfair Labor Practice, or if actions were challenged, not under the NLRA but, for instance, in the context of an arbitration under a collective bargaining agreement appeals process. Further, other “innocent” employees complaining about comments, may not offer sufficient proof of harassing or threatening conduct if the victim making the complaint has since deleted the text or other comment from his or her social media feed.

At least one option for the employer is to ignore gross or disrespectful comments on the internet or through social media, with the hope that they will soon fade away, and with the recognition that rising to the bait of such comments with a response may only render greater public dialogue and further exposure of often untrue statements.

As with so many of these issues, the panelists urge hiring and retaining excellent supervisors who are trained not to react, but to act with deliberation upon receiving or reviewing such obnoxious comments. Most employers have crafted policies which prohibit disrespectful speech, but supervisors must be trained in filtering through such policies to understand the implications of protected speech under the NLRA. In those cases, of course, counsel should be consulted for the latest iteration and interpretation of the breath of protected concerted action as interpreted by the NLRB and the Courts.

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This episode of the Labor Law Insider concludes our discussion on the changes wrought by the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) in 2023 and their implications for employers in 2024 and beyond. Adam Doerr and Rufino Gaytán join host Tom Godar to offer their thoughts on NLRB decisions that prohibit the inclusion of confidentiality provisions in release agreements. They also provide insight into how employers must contend with a new risk calculus to implement their policies and actions regarding employee relations.

The discussion also explores the significant increase in strikes and whether regular use of that provocative tactic is likely to continue. The Insiders also analyze how successful union organizing has expanded in 2023 and whether these trends reflect the greater popularity of unions in the broader public context.

The episode concludes with a focus on proactive leadership by employers to limit their employees’ desire to unionize at all and to communicate effectively with unions that already represent their employees. Join the Labor Law Insiders for this stimulating podcast.

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How many episodes does The Labor Law Insider have?

The Labor Law Insider currently has 52 episodes available.

What topics does The Labor Law Insider cover?

The podcast is about Management, How To, Podcasts, Employment Law, Education and Business.

What is the most popular episode on The Labor Law Insider?

The episode title 'Collective Bargaining: Ins and Outs, Nuts and Bolts, Part I' is the most popular.

What is the average episode length on The Labor Law Insider?

The average episode length on The Labor Law Insider is 19 minutes.

How often are episodes of The Labor Law Insider released?

Episodes of The Labor Law Insider are typically released every 22 days.

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The first episode of The Labor Law Insider was released on Jun 9, 2021.

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