The IT Experts Podcast

We start by addressing the fundamental need for a structured approach to sales in the MSP sector. It's not about quick fixes or hoping for that golden unicorn prospect. Instead, it’s about implementing a consistent process and understanding that building meaningful relationships takes time. We’ve crafted a comprehensive "shoe leather sales plan" designed to get your MSP on track with clear, actionable steps.

First and foremost, set some realistic targets. Without clear goals, it’s impossible to measure success. For most MSPs, acquiring one new client a month can be transformative. By setting targets, you can break down the required steps to achieve those goals, like engaging in quality conversations and generating the necessary leads. Aim for 10 quality conversations to secure 4-5 leads, which should yield that one new client each month.

Next, identify your dream 50 clients. These are the ideal customers you want to work with. Focus your efforts on this list to avoid spreading yourself too thin. Make sure your LinkedIn profile is polished and targeted. Engage with these potential clients by sending connection requests, participating in relevant discussions, and offering valuable content. Remember, it’s about building trust and showcasing your expertise, not just making a sales pitch.

Attending events and networking is another crucial step. Whether it’s local business groups, Chamber of Commerce meetings, or industry-specific events, put yourself out there. Networking is all about building relationships and establishing your presence in the community. Don’t just attend – be active. Offer to speak at events, host webinars, or run lunch-and-learn sessions. Providing valuable insights and educational content will position you as a thought leader in the MSP space.

Giving back to the community is essential. If you help others achieve their goals, you will naturally attract opportunities. Offer your expertise by contributing content, such as blogs, surveys, or white papers, to industry publications and groups. Create your own events and invite clients and prospects to join. Teaching others about cybersecurity or the latest tech trends not only showcases your knowledge but also builds goodwill and trust.

Consistency is key. This might sound tedious, but it’s where many MSPs falter. Use tools like LinkedIn’s Social Selling Index to gauge your activity and effectiveness on the platform. Regularly post valuable content, engage with your network, and follow up diligently. The more active you are, the more visible you become, and the more opportunities you will attract. Track your efforts and continuously refine your approach to ensure you're making the most of your time and resources.

Finally, build a solid plan. Your plan should cover networking, stakeholder engagement, and content creation. Having a clear strategy will keep you focused and accountable. As you consistently execute your plan, you'll find your email inbox filling up with inquiries from potential clients who see you as a trusted advisor.

Implementing these steps will take effort, but the rewards are worth it. By setting clear targets, engaging with your ideal clients, attending events, giving back, staying consistent, and following a structured plan, you’ll see a steady increase in sales for your MSP. Dive into this episode for a detailed breakdown of each step and start taking action today.

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And when you’re ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you’ll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads.

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Until next time, look after yourself and I’ll catch up with you soon!

Alison shares her perspective on why structure is so much more than just an organisational chart or job descriptions. She compares a well-structured MSP to an orchestra, where the conductor sets the pace and ensures each musician plays their part in harmony. In an MSP, the leadership team acts as the conductor, guiding different departments while allowing them to operate effectively within their roles. Without this level of coordination, businesses risk becoming chaotic, where people take on mismatched roles, processes break down, and leadership gets bogged down in daily operations rather than focusing on strategic growth.

One of the key takeaways from this conversation is the importance of defining leadership roles early on. Many MSP owners make the mistake of promoting internally without fully assessing whether the individual is ready for leadership. Just because someone is a brilliant technical expert or account manager doesn’t mean they’ll thrive in a leadership position. Alison emphasises that the transition from a technical role to a senior leadership team (SLT) role requires different skills—strategic thinking, communication, and the ability to manage and inspire a team. That’s why it’s crucial to evaluate potential leaders based on their ability to drive the business forward, rather than simply their tenure or technical expertise.

We also touch on the reality that most MSPs don’t get past the £1 million turnover mark, largely due to poor structure. If an MSP wants to scale beyond this, it needs to establish a proper SLT with clear departmental functions, accountability, and measurable outcomes. But as we discuss, there’s no shop called 'SLTs R Us' where MSP owners can simply pick out a ready-made leadership team. Instead, they have to be intentional about developing leaders internally or bringing in external talent who align with their business vision and culture.

Alison highlights the critical need for strong communication across all levels of an MSP. Many businesses assume that everyone understands the company vision, but often, strategy is only understood at board level while the rest of the team remains out of the loop. This creates internal conflicts, especially between service and sales teams, as they struggle to see how their roles contribute to the overall business success. The solution? A structured approach to internal communication—regular meetings, clear role definitions, and alignment on key objectives so that every team member knows their contribution to the bigger picture.

Recruiting the right leaders is another major challenge for MSPs, especially when filling gaps in an SLT. Alison advises MSP owners to start by defining exactly what they need from a role before hiring. Is it a Chief Technology Officer, a Head of Operations, or a Commercial Director? More importantly, does this person need to come from a similar-sized MSP or from a different background? Bringing in someone who has only worked in a highly structured corporate environment may struggle in a fast-moving MSP where adaptability is key. Understanding the culture and operational pace of an MSP is just as important as technical expertise.

We also explore the growing trend of fractional leadership, which is becoming an invaluable solution for MSPs that need experienced leadership but don’t require (or can’t afford) full-time roles. Many MSPs looking to scale can benefit from a fractional CIO, CTO, or COO who brings expertise and strategic oversight without the long-term commitment of a permanent hire. This approach provides flexibility, ensures that high-level decisions are being made, and prevents business owners from becoming overwhelmed by operational responsibilities.

The conversation then shifts to leadership models and how they impact MSP structure. Alison emphasises that there’s no one-size-fits-all model—every MSP must build a structure that fits its size, growth ambitions, and company culture. However, certain fundamentals remain universal: defining a clear vision, having structured departmental plans, and ensuring that every role contributes to business growth. Whether a business is running a flat structure with few management layers or a more hierarchical setup, the key is clarity—who is responsible for what, how decisions flow, and how success is measured.

One of the biggest pitfalls we see in MSPs is a lack of focus on operational effic...

For those who aren’t familiar, B Corp is essentially a certification that demonstrates a company’s commitment to social and environmental responsibility. It’s often described as the gold standard for ethical business practices, ensuring that organisations consider the impact of their decisions on employees, customers, suppliers, the community, and the planet. It’s about running a business with integrity and proving that you’re doing the right thing—not just saying you are.

Gildas explained that he’s always been passionate about running a business with strong values, prioritising ethical operations over simply making money. However, the decision to pursue B Corp certification came after a lost sales opportunity. His team had gone through the entire sales process with a target client, only to be told at the final stage that they were choosing another provider—solely because they were B Corp certified. That moment was the catalyst for Gildas to explore what B Corp involved and how it could position Dial A Geek as the kind of IT provider that purpose-driven businesses want to work with.

The process of becoming B Corp certified, however, was no small feat. Gildas likened it to an ISO certification but with a much broader focus—covering sustainability, employee engagement, client relationships, and governance. The certification isn’t just about proving that you operate ethically; it requires a deep dive into your business, documenting every policy, process, and decision that affects people and the planet. Every company is scored based on their impact, and maintaining certification requires continuous effort, including annual impact reports and a full recertification every three years.

One of the biggest surprises for Gildas was the amount of work involved. Initially, he assumed it would be a straightforward project, something his marketing manager, Nina, could handle. But as they progressed, it became clear that B Corp certification touches every part of a business. There were unexpected complexities, like being classified as a retailer due to the volume of laptops they sell, which required additional scrutiny of their supply chain. The lesson here? If you’re considering B Corp certification, you need someone with a process-driven mindset to take the lead, and you must ensure your entire team understands why you’re doing it and what’s expected of them.

The investment in time and money was significant, and I asked Gildas whether it’s actually made his business more profitable. His honest answer? Not immediately. If you’re looking for a quick financial return, B Corp isn’t the way to go. But what it has done is professionalise the business, putting structured governance in place that benefits everything from HR policies to long-term strategy. And, crucially, it’s opened doors to new clients—particularly those who prioritise ethical and sustainable partnerships.

One of the unexpected benefits has been the influence Dial A Geek has had on its own clients. Several businesses they work with have now started their own B Corp journeys after seeing the impact it’s had. This highlights an important point: B Corp certification doesn’t just affect the business that earns it; it creates a ripple effect, inspiring others to step up and improve their own business practices.

There’s also the exclusivity factor. In the UK, there are only a handful of MSPs that hold B Corp certification. This gives Dial A Geek a unique advantage in networking and business development. In a room full of B Corp-certified businesses looking for an IT provider that aligns with their values, Gildas’ company stands out without even having to pitch. As he pointed out, working with businesses that share your ethical stance not only makes business smoother but often allows you to command a premium because those clients are looking for long-term, trusted partnerships—not just the cheapest option.

So, what’s the takeaway from this episode? If you’re an MSP thinking about B Corp certification, start by visiting the B Corp website and reviewing the questions. Understand that it’s a commitment—not just a badge. You’ll need buy-in from your team, a clear leader to drive the process, and a willingness to review and refine your operations. It’s not a quick win, but if values-driven growth is part of your long-term strategy, it could be one of the most rewarding decisions you make.

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It’s been a busy year for Stuart and me, and we kick off the episode with some festive banter, steering clear of any Mariah Carey renditions—thankfully! Stuart reflects on how much we’ve achieved and the importance of this reflective time of year. Together, we unpack what made these five episodes so impactful and why they’ve captured the attention of our audience.

Coming in at number five, we discuss Episode 168 with the brilliant Claire Jenks, titled “So You Think You're Busy? How to Get Out of Overwhelm and Get Out of Your Own Way.” This episode tackled time management, productivity, and overcoming imposter syndrome—common themes that MSPs wrestle with daily. Stuart reminds us that time is finite, and how we choose to use it determines our success. He emphasises the power of saying “no” to less important demands to focus on what truly matters. As MSP leaders, finding time to prioritise and plan can transform the way we work, and this episode served as a timely reminder of how to do just that.

At number four, we revisit Episode 184 with Jay McBain, “The Future of Running Your MSP in an AI World.” AI dominated headlines this year, and this episode provided much-needed clarity on its practical application for MSPs. Stuart and I agree that while AI is exciting, the focus should remain on operational efficiency. It’s not about chasing shiny objects but ensuring that existing tools and systems are fully utilised to deliver results. Jay’s message that AI will augment—not replace—good old-fashioned SOPs resonated with many. The key takeaway? Use AI as a supercharger, not a distraction, and lean on your vendors to guide adoption in a meaningful way.

In third place is one of our early Ask Stuart episodes, Episode 143, “How to Get More Out of My Team.” This topic is close to the heart of every MSP owner who understands that their team is often the most significant investment in their business. Stuart reflects on how leadership, accountability, and communication are pivotal to maximising team potential. From the importance of defining your “Pied Piper tune” to creating a culture that aligns with your mission and values, this episode packed in valuable advice for improving team dynamics and achieving better results. It’s no wonder it’s one of the year’s favourites.

At number two, we revisit Episode 147 with Mark Copeman from Wingman, “How to Get the Best Out of the MSP Global Event.” While this episode centred around preparing for events, it struck a deeper chord about the value of connection and learning. Stuart and I discussed the importance of defining success before attending any event, focusing on the right conversations and relationships to achieve meaningful outcomes. For many MSPs, getting out of their day-to-day bubble and engaging with peers and vendors at events is transformative. This episode captured that essence perfectly, and the feedback from listeners was phenomenal.

Finally, at the top spot, we celebrate Episode 144 with Julie Hutchinson, “The Art of Having a Difficult Conversation.” This episode was a runaway success, receiving ten times the downloads of our second-place podcast. Julie’s expertise in guiding leaders through difficult conversations resonated deeply with our audience. Stuart highlights how avoiding difficult discussions only compounds problems, while Julie’s frameworks provide a clear, structured way to address challenges positively. This episode wasn’t just about managing tough topics; it reframed these conversations as opportunities to strengthen teams and drive results. It’s no surprise it captured the hearts of so many listeners.

As Stuart and I reflect on 2024, we’re immensely proud of what we’ve achieved. Helping over 50 ...

We kicked off the episode with a bit of festive banter about Christmas indulgences, proving that even between the mince pies and wine, we’re committed to helping you move your business forward. Stuart, ever the reflective one, shared his highlights of the year, starting with the remarkable growth of the MSP Growth Hub community. With nearly 50 MSPs now on board, the energy, vulnerability, and results in the room have been nothing short of inspiring. It’s a testament to the power of shared ambition and the results that come when business owners start thinking differently about their potential and plans.

2024 has been a year of breakthroughs for many MSPs, and a recurring theme in our conversation was the transformative power of having a clear plan. Stuart and I talked about how, when MSPs stop thinking they’ve hit their ceiling and start stretching their thinking, incredible things happen. Whether it’s through a business growth blueprint session or stepping back to review what’s truly holding them back, the results speak for themselves. As Stuart put it, businesses grow to the size of the thinking of their owners—a powerful reminder to challenge yourself as you enter 2025.

One of the most impactful initiatives from the past year has been the distillation of the Growth Hub’s trainings into simple, actionable frameworks. Stuart highlighted the new account management framework, which links strategic and tactical activities to drive meaningful results. It’s about connecting the dots between numbers, people, and marketing to create a seamless asset in your business. Similarly, the Future Leaders programme, launching in 2025, is set to be a game-changer for MSPs. This initiative will help the next tier of leaders step up, taking on the skills and mindset needed to transition from technician to business leader. It’s all about building the leadership capacity required to scale MSPs beyond the day-to-day.

We also delved into the importance of breaking down challenges into manageable chunks. Stuart’s teaching background—yes, he was once a maths teacher—provides a perfect metaphor. Just like teaching kids to build confidence in maths by mastering small steps, MSPs need to simplify their approach to big challenges. Whether it’s planning, implementing a PSA tool, or tackling sales and marketing, breaking tasks into smaller, achievable goals makes all the difference. We’ve seen this approach unlock massive wins for our clients this year, from those taking their first deliberate steps into leadership to others smashing their revenue targets.

The community itself has been a standout highlight. Stuart shared an anecdote about an MSP leader who used a creative reward—a luxury hotel stay—to motivate a team member. This small gesture transformed not only the individual’s performance but also saved the business the cost of hiring additional staff. It’s a reminder that leadership is about understanding what truly motivates people and tapping into that potential to achieve extraordinary results.

Looking ahead to 2025, Stuart and I are laser-focused on growing the MSP Growth Hub community and amplifying its impact. Together, we’re creating a movement that changes lives, supports businesses, and brings a sense of fun and camaraderie to the MSP world. As Stuart often says, it’s about helping more people, having a bigger impact, and enjoying the journey along the way.

If there’s one takeaway we’d love you to have as you head into the New Year, it’s this: be deliberate. Take the time to reflect on what you’ve been avoiding, what’s truly holding you back, and what steps you can take to move forward. And remember, you don’t have to do it alone. Join a community, find accountability, and surround yourself with people who will challenge and support you.

Thank you for letting us infiltrate your earbuds this year. It’s been an absolute privilege to share these conversations with you, and we’re so excited for what 2025 holds. If you’ve got a success story or want to be a guest on the podcast, get in touch—we’d love to hear from you. Here’s to an incredible year ahead. Let’s make it the best one yet!

Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK

And when you’re ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you’ll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads.

OR

To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up w...