
S2E48 Crypt Keeper CONFIDENTIAL
08/01/23 • 77 min
Odds are you’re here, reading this because you love “Tales From The Crypt” and its iconic Crypt Keeper character. We don’t blame you.; we love both of them, too!
We started this season (some 48 episodes ago) with a conversation that had never been had before about how exactly The Crypt Keeper came to be. He didn’t just drop from the sky “as is”.
Actually, it took the work of four different people to create him.
How To Make A Crypt Keeper
First, there was Kevin Yagher – the guy who created the puppet and all its animatronic bits and pieces.
Then actor John Kassir gave the Crypt Keeper its amazing voice. And that laugh. Wanna know where it came from? John will tell that story!
But, if you watch or listen to a Crypt Keeper segment from any season one episode and then any season three episode, you’ll notice a huge difference.
From Puppet To “Playah”
Lots of huge differences. That’s when Gil and I stepped in and took over writing and producing Crypt.
Among the changes we made to the show – in addition to getting the budget back under control and going after the biggest stars we could get – like Michael J. Fox and Kirk Douglas – we took the show back to its EC Comics roots as ironic, gleefully warped morality tales.
We also reimagined the Crypt Keeper and gave him a rich, interior life. We turned him from a scary puppet into a franchise. While I handled all the writing chores, Gil produced all the Crypt Keeper segments and directed a lot of them – including the Crypt Keeper segments in both Crypt feature films.
The truth is, if you take any of those four people out of this equation? There’s no equation – and we’re not having this conversation.
How do you make an iconic character that will stand the test of time? Well, there’s no book telling you how to do it. But, there is this episode.
In keeping with this episode’s “confidential” nature, we strip off the bandages and reveal plenty of secrets. How the Crypt Keeper’s whole existence is entirely accidental... how John Kassir created the CK’s iconic laugh... how writing the segments was like being tortured – by the Crypt Keeper... why there’ll probably never be another new episode of Tales From The Crypt.
What surprised all four of us (when we spoke) is how despite knowing that the CK was, is, always will be a puppet, each of us succumbed to his “magic”. That’s the strange thing about iconic characters like the Crypt Keeper.
They really do transcend their world and find a comfy place in ours.
Odds are you’re here, reading this because you love “Tales From The Crypt” and its iconic Crypt Keeper character. We don’t blame you.; we love both of them, too!
We started this season (some 48 episodes ago) with a conversation that had never been had before about how exactly The Crypt Keeper came to be. He didn’t just drop from the sky “as is”.
Actually, it took the work of four different people to create him.
How To Make A Crypt Keeper
First, there was Kevin Yagher – the guy who created the puppet and all its animatronic bits and pieces.
Then actor John Kassir gave the Crypt Keeper its amazing voice. And that laugh. Wanna know where it came from? John will tell that story!
But, if you watch or listen to a Crypt Keeper segment from any season one episode and then any season three episode, you’ll notice a huge difference.
From Puppet To “Playah”
Lots of huge differences. That’s when Gil and I stepped in and took over writing and producing Crypt.
Among the changes we made to the show – in addition to getting the budget back under control and going after the biggest stars we could get – like Michael J. Fox and Kirk Douglas – we took the show back to its EC Comics roots as ironic, gleefully warped morality tales.
We also reimagined the Crypt Keeper and gave him a rich, interior life. We turned him from a scary puppet into a franchise. While I handled all the writing chores, Gil produced all the Crypt Keeper segments and directed a lot of them – including the Crypt Keeper segments in both Crypt feature films.
The truth is, if you take any of those four people out of this equation? There’s no equation – and we’re not having this conversation.
How do you make an iconic character that will stand the test of time? Well, there’s no book telling you how to do it. But, there is this episode.
In keeping with this episode’s “confidential” nature, we strip off the bandages and reveal plenty of secrets. How the Crypt Keeper’s whole existence is entirely accidental... how John Kassir created the CK’s iconic laugh... how writing the segments was like being tortured – by the Crypt Keeper... why there’ll probably never be another new episode of Tales From The Crypt.
What surprised all four of us (when we spoke) is how despite knowing that the CK was, is, always will be a puppet, each of us succumbed to his “magic”. That’s the strange thing about iconic characters like the Crypt Keeper.
They really do transcend their world and find a comfy place in ours.
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S2E47: The Name Game
Run for your lives! The world is over-run with Alan Katz’s – and Allan Katz’s and Allen Katz’s! That’s what it feels like anyway (to the Alan Katz who hosts this podcast and writes these posts!).
In this episode of The How NOT To Make A Movie Podcast, Alan Katz finally has a conversation he’s waited almost 40 years to have – with Allan Katz – the person he always thought of as “the other Allan Katz”.
Turns out, Alan Katz (this podcast’s co-host) is actually the “other Alan”.
Sharing a name with other people is hardly rare. It sucks nonetheless because it can create all kinds of chaos and confusion. Sharing a name can cost you work and cause really embarrassing situations.
It can make you nuts, frankly.
Other Alan, Allan & Allen’s
Alan has always had to share his space with other people with the same name. He went to Camp Skylemar sleepaway camp in Maine for six years – and, for four of them, he shared a cabin with a kid named Allan Katz. That Allan Katz was a twin. His brother Howie Katz also was in the cabin.
One of Alan’s school friends, Kenny Katz? His dad, “Allen Katz”, owned a bunch of fast food restaurants when they were all kids.
When Alan Katz arrived in LA in 1985, he bumped into the (unfortunate for him) fact that another guy with the same name – Allan Katz – had set up shop in television long before and made quite a name for himself. Studio execs mistook Alan for Allan on numerous occasions. In fact, on more than one occasion, Alan received Allan’s residual checks. They were damned impressive.
Alan sent them all back to the Writers’ Guild of course.
Allan Katz, Meet Allan Katz
In SAG (the Screen Actor’s Guild), no two people can have the same name. It turns out? Before Allan Katz went to join SAG, there already was an Allan Katz – so Allan (the one we’re talking about – see how confusing it can get?) couldn’t use his own name (when he made the comedy feature film “Big Man On Campus” – originally entitled “The Hunchback Of UCLA”). Instead, he got approval for – and went by – “Starring Allan Katz”.
Along the way, Allan (the one who got to Hollywood first), will talk about being an ad writer in Chicago (where he created the hugely successful ad campaign for the SCREAMING YELLOW ZONKERS brand of snack food. GEORGE SCHLATTER – a big TV producer about to launch “Laugh-In” saw Allan’s work on the Zonkers ad, and invited him to join Laugh-In’s writing staff (as its youngest member). Bonus cool fact: there was also a young, Canadian writer on that staff named LORNE MICHAELS. He went on to create a little franchise called “Saturday Night Live”.
Allan Katz: Quite The Resume
From there, Allan went on to write episodes for some of the most iconic shows on American TV: “All In The Family”. “Sanford & Son”, “The Mary Tyler Moore Show” and MASH. In time, Allan would go on to write and produce “Rhoda”,, “The Cher Show”, “Roseanne” and “Blossom”.
Quite the resume, yes?
There are great stories to go along with every bit of it.
In the end, through perseverance, luck and a pinch of talent, Alan found his way onto the Show Biz Mountain. But, he’s always wanted to have a chat with “the other Allan Katz” so as to compare notes.
What’s it been like being that Allan Katz instead? It all becomes clear as we play The Name Game.
For the record? Gil Adler has had to deal with at least one other “Gil Adler”. They had lunch together once...
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S2E49 Chicken Thing Attacks!
Todd Holland directed one of the best “Tales From The Crypt” episodes – “Top Billing” – about a struggling actor (played by Jon Lovitz) who thinks he’s auditioning for the lead in “Hamlet” at a small theater tucked away in an alley. He’s actually auditioning for the role of “Yorick – the skull”!
This is one of those Crypt episodes that rewards repeat viewing in a “Usual Suspects” kind of way. What seems just “odd” the first time through becomes vital info when you actually realize what you’re looking at. It’s a very layered episode.
Myles Berkowitz’s script created that layering, but Todd’s directing paid off every single layer. After working on Crypt, Todd went on to not only direct but actively helped create or run iconic shows like “Malcolm In The Middle”, “The Larry Sanders Show” and “Wonderfalls” – a wonderful show that suffered a terrible fate. He also directed the cult-favorite movie “The Wizard”.
But, before all that, Todd announced his presence at UCLA Film School where he wrote and produced a funny, terrifying short called “Chicken Thing”. Chicken Thing is what caught Steven Spielberg’s attention – and got Todd a slot in season two of Spielberg’s anthology series “Amazing Stories”.
Another thing “Top Billing” does well – because Todd does it well – is balance comedy with horror. Those two things have more in common than most people think. You need to build them carefully to maximize the payoff. But, if you can maximize their payoff?
You’ll succeed. Then it’ll be a matter of protecting your joy, honing your craft and expanding your network. It’s the only way to defeating any Chicken Things that come your way.
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