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The Heart & Science of Leadership

The Heart & Science of Leadership

Dr. Paul "Paulie" Gavoni

The Heart & Science of Leadership" podcast, co-hosted by Dr. Paulie and A.J. Rinaldi, combines their diverse backgrounds in leadership to offer a comprehensive view on what it takes to lead effectively, no matter your position—be it executive, teacher, manager, principal, supervisor, or coach. Together, they explore the balance between the human side of leadership and evidence-based practices, providing listeners with practical tools, real-life stories, and actionable strategies. Whether you're a seasoned leader or just starting your journey, this podcast delivers valuable insights that blend heart and science for impactful leadership in any setting.

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Communication is very complex. Even the slightest change in tone, volume, or cadence can alter the communicative intent as experienced by the listener. In this episode I discuss what you should be aware of, and what you can do instead.

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The Heart & Science of Leadership - Reaching Results through Behavioral Leadership with Dr. John Austin
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12/22/22 • 54 min

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In this episode, Dr. John Austin and I talk behavior science, leadership, and practical approaches for improving climate, culture, and reaching results. Dr. Austin is an internationally recognized expert in providing behavior-based solutions to organizational challenges. He is the founder of Reaching Results, a consultancy for management, motivation, leadership, and safety. Dr. Austin was a Professor of Psychology at Western Michigan University. He has consulted with organizations for 20 years to improve productivity and safety in various industries. In addition, in the area of improving human performance, he has published nearly 100 articles and chapters, and delivered over 200 presentations at regional, national, and international conferences. He has published three books, Organizational Change, Handbook of Applied Behavior Analysis, and Mindfulness at Work.
Show Notes References:

Info on Dr. Austin's courses and services is on both sites.

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The Heart & Science of Leadership - Building Resilience: A Compassionate Approach to Treating Emotional Adversity
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10/14/23 • 110 min

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In this episode, David Roth and I emphasize the critical need for the field of behavior analysis to delve deeper into the concept of resilience. While the concept of resilience is widely acknowledged, there's a gap in our understanding of it. It's our goal to ignite a conversation and inspire action on the pressing issue of defining and analyzing resilience. Today's discussion is driven by compassion and our personal experiences that have served as a catalyst to encourage this exploration.
Additional Resources:
Estes and Skinner Paper
Gavoni and Polk Paper

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The Heart & Science of Leadership - Trauma-Informed Care, Assent, and Compassion - A Call for Nuance in ABA
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03/31/23 • 100 min

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In his book Beyond Freedom and Dignity, Skinner (1971) reminds us that “culture is the social environment that shapes and maintains the behavior of those who live in it. A given culture evolves as new practices arise, possibly for irrelevant reasons, and are selected by their contribution to the strength of the culture as it “competes” with the physical environment and with other cultures.”
Now, we (Steve Ward and I) mention the term culture because there are words in our culture that have strong connotations and evoke conditioned emotional responses, bias, and bias confirmation as people tend to unknowingly search out data and surround themselves with other people who reinforce their bias. Words that are common yet evoke strong emotional responses from those both outside and inside of our field like:
• Positive, negative, consequence, manipulate, control, and punishment
• Assent, trauma-informed, and compassion
In other sciences, this may not be an issue. But when you begin talking about behavior and using any one or combination of the words above, people, including behavior analysts, are going to fall back on their extensive learning history, which may or may not be directly related to the science of human behavior. Those newer to the field may have a stronger emotional response than veterans who have, over time, been conditioned to respond differently. Still, many responses, in both cases, might fall into a classification of behaviors that might be considered rule-governed behavior. And while rule-governed behavior may serve a general set of circumstances that meet our personal and shared values, it can also lack nuanced and functional sophistication to produce socially valid outcomes for those we serve.
When we exceedingly follow rules, we sacrifice empiricism. We become less likely to recognize when an intervention is not working. This, of course, preempts analysis. There is no impetus for problem-solving if a problem is not identified. We can’t begin to analyze why an intervention is not working if we don’t realize that it is not working.
In the episode, Steve Ward, Kayla Perry, and Dr. Merrill Winston take a deep dive into the concepts of assent, trauma-informed care, and compassion; moreover, they illuminate current challenges within the field of behavior analysis as they relate to the exceedingly broad use of terms like these that lack nuance and seemingly promote rule-governance.
NOTES:
Article by Steve and Paulie referenced in the podcast
Steve Ward:
Whole Child Consulting
Kayla Perry:
Honestly Unorthodox
Merrill Winston:

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Ever been dumped? Remember that pain? Being broken up with is something that most people experience at some point in their life. Many learn and continue to move forward. But for some, it's a painful experience they try to avoid but end up living many times over. If you are one of those people, what might you have done more, less, or differently to avoid the breakup? Perhaps you wanted to get back together, but it didn't work out. Or maybe feelings are fading while emotional outbursts are increasing in your current relationship, and you'd like to learn some tips for improving it. In this episode, I unpack the science behind human relationships with New York Times featured relationship coach expert, Lee Wilson.
In our conversation we discuss a number of relationship dynamics, offering an in-depth look at what he calls the "no contact rule," the power of self-reflection, and the role of support in relationships. Lee and I take a closer look at the concept of limerence, its role in driving us towards intimate relationships, and the dangerous consequences of imbalanced relationships. We tackle strategies to strike a healthy balance, alongside analyzing the impact of no contact in breakups, and then touch upon navigating changes in relationships and the importance of renegotiation to maintain a healthy connection.
Finally, we weave our way through the complexities of interpersonal dynamics, with Lee providing real-world solutions grounded in solid behavioral principles.
Coach Lee's Article on Limerence
Why feelings fade
Coach Lee's YouTube Channel

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The Behavioral Toolbox equips those charged with supporting behavior change in schools with practical applications of the science of human behavior for making a positive difference in the workplace. In this case, the classroom and school!

Be sure to subscribe to Dr. Paulie's Heart & Science YouTube channel for a variety of content related to behavior science and bringing out the best in yourself and others.

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The Heart & Science of Leadership - Trauma Informed Care: Some ThingsYou Should Know

Trauma Informed Care: Some ThingsYou Should Know

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07/28/23 • 119 min

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From a behavior analytic perspective, trauma can be seen as an aversive event or series of events that have led to maladaptive behavior patterns or reactions to certain stimuli. When we understand that an individual's behaviors might be a response to trauma, we can respond more effectively. But how can we better understand trauma? And what constitutes effective responses from a behavior analytic lens?
In this episode, I gathered accomplished behavior analysts Steve Ward, Dr. Adithyan "Dithu" Rajaraman, Dr. Jennifer Austin, and David Roth to dig into a number of questions as a call for nuance on the topic.
AN IMPORTANT AND PERSONAL NOTE ON THIS EPISODE:
I believe there are a number of very good and compassionate behavior analysts who feel one way or another about the concept and approaches associated with TIC. Unfortunately, in some cases, it's led to a classification of behaviors that might be labeled "cancel culture." This is an important topic, and engaging in these types of cancel culture behaviors can create defensiveness and division as opposed to open dialogue and learning. In addition, it tends to punish philosophical doubt, a fundamental underpinning of science.
Using coercion to drive a point home, even if it's a good point, too often leads to counter-control, which usually makes things worse. Let's make a stand on our points, but do so respectfully and in a way that keeps the conversation going. I was grateful to learn from these brilliant and compassionate behavior analysts.. #walkthetalk
Links:
1) Trauma-Informed Care, Assent, and Compassion - A Call for Nuance in ABA
2.) An Intellectually Honest Discussion about Punishment and CESS
3.) Assent and Compliance - When to Use Which
4.) Punishment on Trial in Behavior Analysis
5.)Trauma-Informed Care, Assent, and Compassion - A Call for Nuance in ABA
6.) Towards Trauma-Informed Applications of Behavior Analysis: Inside JABA Series

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The Behavioral Toolbox equips those charged with supporting behavior change in schools with practical applications of the science of human behavior for making a positive difference in the workplace. In this case, the classroom and school!

Be sure to subscribe to Dr. Paulie's Heart & Science YouTube channel for a variety of content related to behavior science and bringing out the best in yourself and others.

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The Heart & Science of Leadership - Behavior Analysis and Leadership: A Primer for BABA Con 2023
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06/03/23 • 28 min

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In this episode, Dr. Bruce Tinor and I talk shop about leadership in schools and organizations. We will be presenting on leadership in education at the sold-out BABACon 2023.

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The Behavioral Toolbox equips those charged with supporting behavior change in schools with practical applications of the science of human behavior for making a positive difference in the workplace. In this case, the classroom and school!

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Dive into the revolutionary world of professional sports through the lens of behavior analysis with my guest, Brett Yaris. Brett is breaking the mold by integrating Applied Behavior Analysis with NFL training methods. His unique path from special education to professional football coaching challenges traditional coaching methods and sparks new ways of thinking. In this episode, we'll take a look at Brett's career including the transition from special education to coaching NFL athletes.
This conversation is essential for anyone interested in how behavior analysis can be applied outside its usual settings. If you are interested in learning more about expanding your own career and pursuing your passion, stay tuned for an upcoming webinar titled "The Path Less Taken: A Roadmap for Behavior Analysts Seeking New Avenues" where Dr. Nick Green and I unpack the behavioral principles that have not only supported our success but can also serve as a guide for others seeking to navigate their way to fulfilling careers outside the conventional applications of ABA. This webinar promises empowerment, offering strategies, insights, and the inspiration needed to take the plunge into new domains where behavior analysts can thrive, proving that with the right mindset and tools, the world truly is an expansive oyster waiting to be explored.
Football Behavior Newsletter
NFL Predictions With Football Behavior
Shaping the Basics w/ Kansas City Chiefs Lucas Niang

Pick up a copy of the #1 bestseller: Adaptive Intelligence: The Evolution of Emotional Intelligence Through the Proven Power of Behavior Science

The Behavioral Toolbox equips those charged with supporting behavior change in schools with practical applications of the science of human behavior for making a positive difference in the workplace. In this case, the classroom and school!

Be sure to subscribe to Dr. Paulie's Heart & Science YouTube channel for a variety of content related to behavior science and bringing out the best in yourself and others.

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The Heart & Science of Leadership - Punishment on Trial in Behavior Analysis

Punishment on Trial in Behavior Analysis

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05/06/23 • 78 min

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There have been a lot of concerns about the use of punishment regarding the appropriateness and effectiveness of it as a behavior-change tool. And rightfully so, as the use of punishment can have a number of unintended side effects like emotional distress, retaliation, R- of undesired behaviors, the suppression of other adaptive behaviors, and more. In addition, the use of punishment raises questions related to individual rights, autonomy, consent, and assent.
Given the dangers inherent in punishment, is it avoidable? In other words, is it possible to live in a society where there is no punishment? Or are some forms of punishment acceptable to use sometimes? If so, what kind of punishment and when? And how can we design punishment procedures to ensure they are ethical?
In this episode, Steve Ward, David Roth, and I tackle the controversial topic as we try to answer these questions and more!
Show Notes:

Articles:
Assent & Trauma Informed Care: A Call for Nuance in Behavior Analysis
Dr. Carbone Article
Podcasts:
Trauma-Informed Care, Assent, and Compassion - A Call for Nuance in ABA
Assent and Compliance - When to Use Which with Steve Ward
An Intellectually Honest Discussion about Punishment and CESS
Steve Ward:
Whole Child Consulting
David Roth:
LinkedIn Profile

Pick up a copy of the #1 bestseller: Adaptive Intelligence: The Evolution of Emotional Intelligence Through the Proven Power of Behavior Science

The Behavioral Toolbox equips those charged with supporting behavior change in schools with practical applications of the science of human behavior for making a positive difference in the workplace. In this case, the classroom and school!

Be sure to subscribe to Dr. Paulie's Heart & Science YouTube channel for a variety of content related to behavior science and bringing out the best in yourself and others.

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The Heart & Science of Leadership - The Organizational Behavior Management of Skinner's Walden Two Community
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09/17/22 • 91 min

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In this episode, David Roth and Dr. Nic Weatherly chat about the principles of Skinner's Walden Two as they relate to Organizational Behavior Management and the following four questions:

  1. Build a way of life in which people live together without quarreling, in a social climate of trust rather than suspicion, of love rather than jealousy, cooperation, rather than competition. (If we change the words "way of life" to "organization" and change the word "live" to "work," we get an important message about Skinner's message as it relates to OBM)
  2. Maintain that world with gentle but pervasive ethical sanctions rather than police or military force. (change "police or military force" to "aversive control")
  3. Reduce compulsive labor to a minimum by arranging the kinds of incentives under which people enjoy working.
  4. Regard no practice as immutable. Change and be ready to change again. Accept no eternal verity. Experiment.

A couple of articles Dr. Weatherly discussed:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01608061.2021.1890664
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01608061.2022.2029798
A couple of Skinner Links discussed by David Roth :
BF Skinner Foundation Community page
Walden Two Audiobook read by Skinner

Pick up a copy of the #1 bestseller: Adaptive Intelligence: The Evolution of Emotional Intelligence Through the Proven Power of Behavior Science

The Behavioral Toolbox equips those charged with supporting behavior change in schools with practical applications of the science of human behavior for making a positive difference in the workplace. In this case, the classroom and school!

Be sure to subscribe to Dr. Paulie's Heart & Science YouTube channel for a variety of content related to behavior science and bringing out the best in yourself and others.

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The Heart & Science of Leadership currently has 42 episodes available.

What topics does The Heart & Science of Leadership cover?

The podcast is about Applied Behavior Analysis, Management, Podcasts, Aba, Self-Improvement, Education, Business and Drugs.

What is the most popular episode on The Heart & Science of Leadership?

The episode title 'Exploring the Dynamics of Addressing Behavior Challenges in Schools with Dr. Merrill Winston' is the most popular.

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The average episode length on The Heart & Science of Leadership is 54 minutes.

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Episodes of The Heart & Science of Leadership are typically released every 14 days, 1 hour.

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The first episode of The Heart & Science of Leadership was released on Jul 16, 2022.

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