
The Education Gadfly Show
Thomas B. Fordham Institute
For more than 15 years, the Fordham Institute has been hosting a weekly podcast, The Education Gadfly Show. Each week, you’ll get lively, entertaining discussions of recent education news, usually featuring Fordham’s Mike Petrilli and David Griffith. Then the wise Amber Northern will recap a recent research study. For questions or comments on the podcast, contact its producer, Stephanie Distler, at [email protected].
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Is Checker going soft on “social and emotional learning”? - 04/10/19
The Education Gadfly Show
04/10/19 • 22 min
On this week’s podcast, Checker Finn joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss his new paper with Rick Hess on how the social and emotional learning movement can avoid going off the rails. On the
Research Minute, Amber Northern examines the big new RAND study on principal pipelines.

#946: Is there hope for education reform after the election? with Dale Chu
The Education Gadfly Show
11/13/24 • 27 min
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Dale Chu, a senior visiting fellow at the Fordham Institute, joins Mike and David to discuss how the election results could impact education and whether there’s reason for optimism. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber shares a study examining how geographic access to public colleges affects enrollment decisions across different races and socioeconomic groups.
Recommended content:
- Matt Barnum, “Trump Gears Up for Assault on Wokeness With Education Overhaul,” The Wall Street Journal (November 11, 2024).
- Alia Wong, “A push for school choice fell short in Trump’s first term. He may now have a more willing Congress,” Associated Press (November 8, 2024).
- Tim Daly, “We’re living through an education depression,” Thomas B. Fordham Institute (November 1, 2024).
- Riley Acton, Kalena E. Cortes, and Camila Morales, Distance to Opportunity: Higher Education Deserts and College Enrollment Choices, Annenberg Institute (2024)
Feedback Welcome: Have ideas for improving our podcast? Send them to Stephanie Distler at [email protected].

Accelerating learning post-pandemic - 03/24/21
The Education Gadfly Show
03/25/21 • 27 min
On this week’s podcast, David Steiner, executive director of the Johns Hopkins Institute for Education Policy, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to explain why schools should embrace acceleration over remediation when addressing students’ unfinished learning. On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines efforts to reliably measure teacher quality at scale.

The State of State Standards for Civics and U.S. History - 06/23/21
The Education Gadfly Show
06/23/21 • 20 min

#963: All about the Educational Choice for Children Act, with Jim Blew
The Education Gadfly Show
04/02/25 • 39 min
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Jim Blew, co-founder of the Defense of Freedom Institute, joins Mike and David to talk about his work on the Educational Choice for Children Act—a federal proposal that could expand educational options for families through school vouchers. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber examines a study on how expanding broadband access for Chicago families during the pandemic benefitted high achieving students but hurt their lower-performing peers.
Recommended content:
- Children’s Tuition Fund, Federal Tax Credit: What You Need to Know About the Educational Choice for Children Act (2025).
- Michael J. Petrilli, “Education reform in red versus blue states,” Thomas B. Fordham Institute (January 9, 2025).
- Dale Chu, “Education at an inflection point,” PPI (March 20, 2025).
- Jared N. Schachner, Julia A. Gwynne, Nicole P. Marwell, Elaine Allensworth, and Marisa de la Torre, Heterogeneous Effects of Closing the Digital Divide During COVID-19 on Student Engagement and Achievement, Annenberg Institute at Brown University (2025)
Feedback Welcome: Have ideas for improving our podcast? Send them to Stephanie Distler at [email protected].

#860: Social media and kids’ declining mental health, with Michael Horn
The Education Gadfly Show
03/08/23 • 28 min
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Michael Horn joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss what schools can do to protect kids’ mental health and whether social media is making it worse. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber explores why schools seem to make more progress on math tests than reading tests.
Recommended content:
- Michael Horn’s latest book, From Reopen to Reinvent: (Re)Creating School for Every Child
- “Teen girls report record levels of sadness, C.D.C. Finds” —New York Times
- “How to help young people limit screen time—and feel better about how they look” —NPR
- “Is politics making kids depressed?” —Wall Street Journal
- Jonathan Haidt’s Substack, After Babel
- The study that Amber reviewed on the Research Minute: Evan Riehl and Meredith Welch, “Accountability, Test Prep Incentives, and the Design of Math and English Exams,” Journal of Policy Analysis and Management (September 26, 2022)
Feedback Welcome:
Have ideas for improving our podcast? Send them to our producer Nathaniel Grossman at [email protected].

Everything we know about effective teachers - 10/09/19
The Education Gadfly Show
10/09/19 • 31 min
On this week’s podcast, Dan Goldhaber, the director of CALDER, joins Mike Petrilli, David Griffith, and Amber Northern to discuss what rigorous research says about identifying, developing, and retaining effective teachers.

#942: The case for supply-side policies in career and technical education, with David Deming
The Education Gadfly Show
10/16/24 • 33 min
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, David Deming, a professor of Political Economy at the Harvard Kennedy School, joins Mike and David to discuss his article in The Atlantic arguing that it’s not enough for governments and the private sector to eliminate college-degree requirement for good-paying jobs. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber shares a study investigating the “fade-out effect” in early childhood education programs.
Recommended content:
- “We need supply-side education policy” —David Deming
- “The vibes for career-tech programs are great. But they’re too rare.” —Michael J. Petrilli
- “What Kamala Harris should do on education and training” —Bruno V. Manno
- John A. List and Haruka Uchida, Here Today, Gone Tomorrow? Toward an Understanding of Fade-out in Early Childhood Education Programs, NBER (2024)
Feedback Welcome: Have ideas for improving our podcast? Send them to Stephanie Distler at [email protected].

#903: Reducing poverty with the child tax credit, with Angela Rachidi
The Education Gadfly Show
01/17/24 • 22 min
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Angela Rachidi, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, joins Mike to discuss whether a reformed and refundable child tax credit can reduce poverty. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber reviews a study investigating a cost-effective high-dosage tutoring intervention.
Recommended content:
- “How to actually triumph over poverty” —Angela Rachidi, National Review
- “The child tax credit: 25 years later” —Angela Rachidi, Senate Committee on Finance
- “Congress is about to do something amazing: agree to invest in kids” —Catherine Rampell, Washington Post
- Kalena Cortes, Karen Kortecamp, Susanna Loeb, and Carly D. Robinson, “A Scalable Approach to High-Impact Tutoring for Young Readers: Results of a Randomized Controlled Trial,” Annenberg Institute at Brown University (January 2024).
Feedback Welcome: Have ideas for improving our podcast? Send them to Daniel Buck at [email protected].
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FAQ
How many episodes does The Education Gadfly Show have?
The Education Gadfly Show currently has 498 episodes available.
What topics does The Education Gadfly Show cover?
The podcast is about News, Learning, Parent, Teaching, School, Research, Policy, Podcasts, Education, Teacher and Politics.
What is the most popular episode on The Education Gadfly Show?
The episode title 'Why public education may never return to normal - 11/11/20' is the most popular.
What is the average episode length on The Education Gadfly Show?
The average episode length on The Education Gadfly Show is 25 minutes.
How often are episodes of The Education Gadfly Show released?
Episodes of The Education Gadfly Show are typically released every 7 days.
When was the first episode of The Education Gadfly Show?
The first episode of The Education Gadfly Show was released on Sep 2, 2015.
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