
81 - Always Ask Why: Bond Returns, Greater Fool Theory, and the 5 Why Framework
06/28/20 • 31 min
- Discount Rate
- Greater Fool Theory
- Circle of Competence
- 5-Why Framework
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Bond ReturnsIn the aggregate, bond returns cannot exceed the coupon rate of the bond. Your interest rate earned sets the maximum expected rate of return on that investment. Any potential for gains above this threshold is purely speculative in nature.
Greater Fool Theory- In today's bond bubble, the only way to justify purchasing bonds in a portfolio is a dependence on the greater fool theory.
- If you want or expect high returns from your bonds, then you hope that others are foolish enough to buy them from you before they mature.
Your circle of competence is probably smaller than you think.
5-Why FrameworkThis framework is used in the industry to evaluate failures for a root cause analysis. Basically, don't stop with understanding a problem after only asking "Why?" once. You need to dig deeper. Ask "Why?" five times, to reach down to deeper levels of explanation.
Find the root cause of a problem, not simply the surface contributing causes.
Summary:Investors should always ask why when evaluating investments. This includes understanding the underlying reasons for their investing strategy, why they earn an excess return, and the edge of their circle of competence.
- Discount Rate
- Greater Fool Theory
- Circle of Competence
- 5-Why Framework
If you enjoyed this podcast and found it helpful, please consider leaving me a rating and review. Your feedback helps me to improve the podcast and grow the show's audience.
Follow me on Twitter and YouTubeTwitter Handle: @TreyHenninger
YouTube Channel: DIY Investing
Support the Podcast on PatreonThis is a podcast supported by listeners like you. If you’d like to support this podcast and help me to continue creating great investing content, please consider becoming a Patron at DIYInvesting.org/Patron.
You can find out more information by listening to episode 11 of this podcast.
Show OutlineThe full show notes for this episode are available at https://www.diyinvesting.org/Episode81
Bond ReturnsIn the aggregate, bond returns cannot exceed the coupon rate of the bond. Your interest rate earned sets the maximum expected rate of return on that investment. Any potential for gains above this threshold is purely speculative in nature.
Greater Fool Theory- In today's bond bubble, the only way to justify purchasing bonds in a portfolio is a dependence on the greater fool theory.
- If you want or expect high returns from your bonds, then you hope that others are foolish enough to buy them from you before they mature.
Your circle of competence is probably smaller than you think.
5-Why FrameworkThis framework is used in the industry to evaluate failures for a root cause analysis. Basically, don't stop with understanding a problem after only asking "Why?" once. You need to dig deeper. Ask "Why?" five times, to reach down to deeper levels of explanation.
Find the root cause of a problem, not simply the surface contributing causes.
Summary:Investors should always ask why when evaluating investments. This includes understanding the underlying reasons for their investing strategy, why they earn an excess return, and the edge of their circle of competence.
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80 - Zero Interest Rates should not reduce your Discount Rate
Mental Models discussed in this podcast:
- Discount Rate
- Equity Risk Premium
- Second-Order Effects
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Show OutlineThe full show notes for this episode are available at https://www.diyinvesting.org/Episode80
Interest RatesI discuss The Fed and their recent actions to lower interest rates to zero using the overnight lending rate.
I also cover the equity risk premium and second-order effects of zero interest rates.
Discount Rates- Your Required Rate of Return
- Your need to save and invest can increase as rates fall
When the Fed reduces interest rates to zero the first-order effect is a disincentive to save. Yet, zero interest rates should not reduce your discount rate because the second-order effect is because lower returns would increase your need to save money.
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82 - Why Banking is an Attractive Industry
Mental Models discussed in this podcast:
- Retention Rates
- Lindy Effect (Durability)
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Key Characteristics of the banking industry which make it attractive for investors- Fewer Banks over time in the United States
- Over 23k commercial banks in the United States in 1966.
- By 2002, that number dropped to 7.8k.
- In 2018, there were only 4.7k FDIC-insured commercial banks in the United States.
- Number of New Banks being created has fallen to near zero
- Before the 2008 financial crisis, about 146 new banks were created each year.
- Since then, only 1 bank per year has been created.
- High Retention Rates
- Relationship-Based
- If you're a local business you may work with a dedicated banker that helps you out, offering you a loan. You'll probably also hold your personal household accounts with them, your mortgage, college savings fund, checking accounts, etc...
- Each type of account or loan you have with a bank increases the stickiness of the customer.
- A bank that is only a checking account is easy to switch. A bank where you have a checking account, multiple savings accounts, a debit card, credit card, mortgage, and car loan is much harder to change away from.
- Low Competition (Hard to steal a customer)
- Switching banks is time consuming, difficult, and there is often only a small benefit for doing so.
- Relationship-Based
- As an industry, bank efficiency is improving over time.
- Fewer commercial banks in the US = less competition.
- The weaker banks are the ones failing or being acquired.
- Fewer bank branches = higher concentration of deposits per branch
- High retention rates = Large amount of recurring revenue, the stability of deposits, and reduced risk of bank liquidity problems.
- Financial service companies and the internet = lower costs to service customers, which means more profit per dollar of deposits.
- Fewer commercial banks in the US = less competition.
- Banking is a durable industry
- It has existed for thousands of years and will continue to exist for thousands more.
- Lindy Effect
- Banking as a business is very simple.
- You collect deposits and make loans. Specifically, we're focused on commercial banking.
- There is no R&D.
- Product innovation is unnecessary.
- There is no inventory that can expire and become worthless.
Banking is an industry with characteristics that are quite attractive to long-term investors. Properly evaluated, a bank can make a great investment. High retention rates, lower competition over time, and the durability of the industry are what attract me to bank investing.
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