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The Digital Deal Podcast - Data Lords

Data Lords

11/28/23 • 26 min

The Digital Deal Podcast

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In this episode, we unpack the ownership and production of data that feeds today's hungry algorithms. What has thus far been described as a process of extraction reveals itself more and more as production. We talk to artist, filmmaker, and writer Hito Steyerl and award-winning journalist Karen Hao about the hidden labour behind the so-called data 'extraction', its appropriation through practices reminiscent of colonialism, and what needs to change for the AI industry to stop perpetuating harmful practices in which data is yet another commons turned into a commodity.
Resources:
AI Colonialism Series by Karen Hao, Heidi Swart, Andrea Paola Hernández, Nadine Freischlad
Power and Progress - Our Thousand-Year Struggle Over Technology and Prosperity by Daron Acemoglu & Simon Johnson
Host & Producer: Ana-Maria Carabelea
Music, Editing & Mixing: Karl Julian Schmidinger
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Host & Producer: Ana-Maria Carabelea
Editing: Ana-Maria Carabelea
Music: Karl Julian Schmidinger
The Digital Deal Podcast is part of European Digital Deal, a project co-funded by Creative Europe and the Austrian Federal Ministry for Arts, Culture, the Civil Service and Sport. Views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the host and guests only and do not necessarily reflect those of the European Union or the European Education and Culture Executive Agency (EACEA). Neither the European Union nor the European Education and Culture Executive Agency (EACEA) can be held responsible for them.

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In this episode, we unpack the ownership and production of data that feeds today's hungry algorithms. What has thus far been described as a process of extraction reveals itself more and more as production. We talk to artist, filmmaker, and writer Hito Steyerl and award-winning journalist Karen Hao about the hidden labour behind the so-called data 'extraction', its appropriation through practices reminiscent of colonialism, and what needs to change for the AI industry to stop perpetuating harmful practices in which data is yet another commons turned into a commodity.
Resources:
AI Colonialism Series by Karen Hao, Heidi Swart, Andrea Paola Hernández, Nadine Freischlad
Power and Progress - Our Thousand-Year Struggle Over Technology and Prosperity by Daron Acemoglu & Simon Johnson
Host & Producer: Ana-Maria Carabelea
Music, Editing & Mixing: Karl Julian Schmidinger
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Host & Producer: Ana-Maria Carabelea
Editing: Ana-Maria Carabelea
Music: Karl Julian Schmidinger
The Digital Deal Podcast is part of European Digital Deal, a project co-funded by Creative Europe and the Austrian Federal Ministry for Arts, Culture, the Civil Service and Sport. Views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the host and guests only and do not necessarily reflect those of the European Union or the European Education and Culture Executive Agency (EACEA). Neither the European Union nor the European Education and Culture Executive Agency (EACEA) can be held responsible for them.

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In this short episode, host Ana-Maria Carabelea introduces The Digital Deal Podcast and the reasons and visions that drive it.
The Digital Deal Podcast is part of the European Digital Deal a three-year investigation into the accelerated and often unconsidered adoption of new technologies and their impact on society. The Digital Deal Podcast, invites artists, cultural critics and theorists, and AI experts to discuss how new technologies reshape our democracies and help us make sense of these changes.If you want to find out more about the European Digital Deal, check out our website www.ars.electronica.art/eudigitaldeal/en/.Host & Producer: Ana-Maria Carabelea
Music, Editing & Mixing: Karl Julian Schmidinger

Host & Producer: Ana-Maria Carabelea
Editing: Ana-Maria Carabelea
Music: Karl Julian Schmidinger
The Digital Deal Podcast is part of European Digital Deal, a project co-funded by Creative Europe and the Austrian Federal Ministry for Arts, Culture, the Civil Service and Sport. Views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the host and guests only and do not necessarily reflect those of the European Union or the European Education and Culture Executive Agency (EACEA). Neither the European Union nor the European Education and Culture Executive Agency (EACEA) can be held responsible for them.

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In this episode, we discuss how machine learning and artificial intelligence adopt hegemonic discourse and existing biases and, what’s more, amplify them, and we talk to some of the people out there who are fighting back. Our guests are Kasia Chmielinski (they/them) - Co-Founder of the Data Nutrition Project, an initiative that builds tools to mitigate bias in artificial intelligence - and Ndapewa Onyothi Wilhelmina Nekoto - an independent researcher & community builder, part of Masakhane.
Resources:
QT.bot - Sitting here with you in the future by Lucas LaRochelle (CA)
Ceux sans qui la terre ne serait pas la terre by David Shongo (CD)
On the Dangers of Stochastic Parrots: Can Language Models Be Too Big? by Emily M. Bender, Timnit Gebru, Angelina McMillan-Major, and Shmargaret Shmitchell
Braiding Sweetgrass by Robin Wall Kimmerer
Host & Producer: Ana-Maria Carabelea
Editing: Ana-Maria Carabelea
Music: Karl Julian Schmidinger
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Host & Producer: Ana-Maria Carabelea
Editing: Ana-Maria Carabelea
Music: Karl Julian Schmidinger
The Digital Deal Podcast is part of European Digital Deal, a project co-funded by Creative Europe and the Austrian Federal Ministry for Arts, Culture, the Civil Service and Sport. Views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the host and guests only and do not necessarily reflect those of the European Union or the European Education and Culture Executive Agency (EACEA). Neither the European Union nor the European Education and Culture Executive Agency (EACEA) can be held responsible for them.

The Digital Deal Podcast - Data Lords

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Ana-Maria Carabelea: Welcome to The Digital Deal Podcast. My name is Ana Carabelea, and today I am joined by Hito Steyerl and Karen Hao. Hito Steyerl is a German filmmaker and writer whose prolific work occupies a highly discursive position between the fields of art, philosophy, and politics and is a deep exploration of late capitalism's, social, cultural, and financial imaginaries.

Karen Hao is an award-winning journalist covering the impacts of artificial intelligence

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