AI Friends, Real Relationships with Eugenia Kuyda, Replika's Founder & CEO
02/16/24 • 73 min
Note: This conversation contains themes of suicidal ideation, in the context of academic research. Please watch from (21:41) onwards if you would like to skip past this content.
In this conversation, Nathan sits down with Eugenia Kuyda, Replika's Founder and CEO. They discuss recent research published in Nature conducted by Stanford on Replika user interactions, how Replika is providing their users with a relationship they can trust and confide in, what Eugenia has found surprising about the evolution of how people are interacting with their Replikas, and much more. Try the Brave search API for free for up to 2000 queries per month at https://brave.com/api
LINKS
- Loneliness and suicide mitigation for students using GPT3-enabled chatbots: https://www.nature.com/articles/s44184-023-00047-6
- Eugenia Kuyda Part 1 on The Cognitive Revolution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFKA7T-v6WE
SPONSORS:
The Brave search API can be used to assemble a data set to train your AI models and help with retrieval augmentation at the time of inference. All while remaining affordable with developer first pricing, integrating the Brave search API into your workflow translates to more ethical data sourcing and more human representative data sets. Try the Brave search API for free for up to 2000 queries per month at https://brave.com/api
Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off www.omneky.com
NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist.
X/Social:
@ekuyda (Eugenia)
@labenz (Nathan)
@CogRev_Podcast
Timestamps:
(00:00) Preview and summary
(06:41 The evolution of Replika
(08:11) Definining the main goal of Replika
(09:54) Nature published study by Stanford on Replika and mental health
(14:20) Methodology for the research on Replika users
(15:19) Sponsor - Brave Search API
(19:46) Replika providing people with a relationship they can trust and confide in
(23:20) How people are relating and reacting to their AI Replikas
(25:49) Stuffed animal analogy
(28:20) What people come to Replika for
(30:29) Sponsor - Netsuite | Omneky
(32:03) How malleable are people’s expectations for their Replika?
(36:54) The evolution of how people are interacting with Replika
(44:49) Putting Replika on device
(46:59) Underappreciated or developed aspects of AI development
(56:11) The relationship people have with their Replika is a moat
(1:08:46) Building AI to memorialize people after they passed: what are the ethics?
This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].
Note: This conversation contains themes of suicidal ideation, in the context of academic research. Please watch from (21:41) onwards if you would like to skip past this content.
In this conversation, Nathan sits down with Eugenia Kuyda, Replika's Founder and CEO. They discuss recent research published in Nature conducted by Stanford on Replika user interactions, how Replika is providing their users with a relationship they can trust and confide in, what Eugenia has found surprising about the evolution of how people are interacting with their Replikas, and much more. Try the Brave search API for free for up to 2000 queries per month at https://brave.com/api
LINKS
- Loneliness and suicide mitigation for students using GPT3-enabled chatbots: https://www.nature.com/articles/s44184-023-00047-6
- Eugenia Kuyda Part 1 on The Cognitive Revolution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFKA7T-v6WE
SPONSORS:
The Brave search API can be used to assemble a data set to train your AI models and help with retrieval augmentation at the time of inference. All while remaining affordable with developer first pricing, integrating the Brave search API into your workflow translates to more ethical data sourcing and more human representative data sets. Try the Brave search API for free for up to 2000 queries per month at https://brave.com/api
Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off www.omneky.com
NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist.
X/Social:
@ekuyda (Eugenia)
@labenz (Nathan)
@CogRev_Podcast
Timestamps:
(00:00) Preview and summary
(06:41 The evolution of Replika
(08:11) Definining the main goal of Replika
(09:54) Nature published study by Stanford on Replika and mental health
(14:20) Methodology for the research on Replika users
(15:19) Sponsor - Brave Search API
(19:46) Replika providing people with a relationship they can trust and confide in
(23:20) How people are relating and reacting to their AI Replikas
(25:49) Stuffed animal analogy
(28:20) What people come to Replika for
(30:29) Sponsor - Netsuite | Omneky
(32:03) How malleable are people’s expectations for their Replika?
(36:54) The evolution of how people are interacting with Replika
(44:49) Putting Replika on device
(46:59) Underappreciated or developed aspects of AI development
(56:11) The relationship people have with their Replika is a moat
(1:08:46) Building AI to memorialize people after they passed: what are the ethics?
This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].
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AI Abundance: a16z Partners Justine Moore and Anish Acharya Forecast a New Era for Consumers
In this episode, a16z partners Justine Moore and Anish Acharya join Nathan to discuss the AI Abundance Agenda, their latest thesis for consumer AI. They discuss the intersection of weird and working, and their investment pillars in AI for creativity and productivity, companionship, and wellness and growth. Looking for a search API? Try the Brave search API for free for up to 2000 queries per month at https://brave.com/api
LINKS:
Read a16z’s AI Abundance Agenda here: https://gamma.app/docs/a16z-Consumer-Abundance-Agenda-ieotbnzbxj81biu?mode=doc
SUBREDDITS MENTIONED:
Justine's Deep Dive on AI Subreddits: https://twitter.com/venturetwins/status/1734614118294868115
r/LocalLLaMA: https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/
r/ComfyUI: https://www.reddit.com/r/comfyui/
r/StableDiffusion: https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/
r/aivideo: https://www.reddit.com/r/aivideo/
SPONSORS:
The Brave search API can be used to assemble a data set to train your AI models and help with retrieval augmentation at the time of inference. All while remaining affordable with developer first pricing, integrating the Brave search API into your workflow translates to more ethical data sourcing and more human representative data sets. Try the Brave search API for free for up to 2000 queries per month at https://brave.com/api
Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off www.omneky.com
NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist.
X/Social:
@labenz (Nathan)
@venturetwins (Justine)
@illscience (Anish)
@a16z
TIMESTAMPS:
00:00) Intro and summary
(06:29) Introduction to the Abundance Agenda
(09:21) AI reducing administrative overhead
(09:40) Relationships and companionship
(10:30) Wellness and personal growth
(11:24 The intersection of weird and working: why weird sometimes works
(13:24) How AI helps the pro consumer
(15:17) Sponsor | Brave Search API
(20:47) Where do Justine and Anish discover new AI products
(23:25) The best AI subreddits
(27:16) High NPS churn vs Low NPS Churn
(28:30) AI Bundle: how it would work
(29:34) Sponsor | Netsuite + Omneky
(32:01) AI CMO or AI operated back office
(33:40) Best AI image to video products
(34:53) Why there aren’t currently APIs for AI video products
(39:12) AI email composition will be tackled by an incumbent rather than a startup
(39:47) The rise of voice-first due to AI
(40:40) Startups vs incumbents - 80:20 value capture for startups
(41:41) Salesforce vs a startup AI CRM
(45:07) Creating artistically opinionated models using fine tuning
(47:42) Why isn’t there a push for AI doctors?
(51:46) AI mental health apps
(55:00) Frameworks for designing non-predatory AI
(56:51) Proxy metric for evaluating companion AI products
(59:48) Media literacy and intuition for the next generation around AI
(1:00:20) Request for startups from Justine and Anish
This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].
Next Episode
OpenAI Sora, Google Gemini, and Meta with Zvi Mowshowitz
In this episode, Zvi Mowshowitz returns to the show to discuss OpenAI’s Sora model, Google’s Gemini announcement, Anthropic’s Sleeper Agents, and other live player analysis. Try the Brave search API for free for up to 2000 queries per month at https://brave.com/api
Definitely also take a moment to subscribe to Zvi's blog Don't Worry About the Vase
(https://thezvi.wordpress.com/) - Zvi is an information hyperprocessor who synthesizes vast amounts of new and ever-evolving information into extremely clear summaries that help educated people keep up with the latest news.
LINKS:
-Zvi’s Blog: https://thezvi.substack.com/
Waymark The Frost Episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1pPiGD7cBw
-Anthropic Sleeper Agents: https://www.anthropic.com/news/sleeper-agents-training-deceptive-llms-that-persist-through-safety-training
SPONSORS:
The Brave search API can be used to assemble a data set to train your AI models and help with retrieval augmentation at the time of inference. All while remaining affordable with developer first pricing, integrating the Brave search API into your workflow translates to more ethical data sourcing and more human representative data sets. Try the Brave search API for free for up to 2000 queries per month at https://brave.com/api
Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off www.omneky.com
NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist.
X/Social:
@TheZvi (Zvi)
@labenz (Nathan)
@CogRev_Podcast
TIMESTAMPS:
(00:04:37) - Zvi’s feedback on the type of content the show should create
(00:05:33) - Zvi’s experience with Gemini
(00:09:42) - Speculating on Google Gemini’s launch timing
(00:12:54) - Advantages of Gemini
(00:16:11) - Sponsors: Brave
(00:25:00) - Speculating on Gemini 1.5 and market dynamics for foundational models.
(00:28:18) How long context windows change things
(00:30:57) - Sponsor: Netsuite | Omneky
(00:41:06) - LLM Leaderboards
(00:43:37) - Physics world modelling in OpenAI Sora
(00:57:25) - Object permanence in Sora
(01:04:40) - Experiments Zvi would run on Sora
(01:06:21) - Superalignment and Anthropic Sleeper Agent
(01:10:47) - When do agents actually start to work?
(01:16:00) - Raising the standard for AI app developers
(01:22:07) - Dangers of open soure development
(01:30:53) - The future of compact models
(01:33:58) - Superalignment
(01:53:00) - Meta
(01:54:20) - Mistral’s hold over the regulatory environment
(02:04:16) - The Impact of Chip Bans on AI Development
This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].
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